LEO stops for OC in CA

[TheTman]

Well they provoked something all right, AB144 was passed and as of Jan 1, 2012, OC of unloaded handguns is no longer legal in CA. I doubt if that was the result they were looking for. OC of unloaded long guns is still legal there.

[OldLincoln]

Tom is dead right. It couldn't have been more forceful had Mr Brady himself open carried and many tried to tell them they were harming their very cause. That's like drag racing down Main Street to protest the ban on drag racing. Or going nude to all the public places on the Fourth of July just because it may be legal. Well, it won't be legal for long will it.

I know some were personally convinced it was the right thing to do, and for them I am sorry. They were misled into doing the wrong thing for the right reason.

[John222]

While the majority of Americans support the 2nd amendment, when confronted with the open carry issue, they don't support it at all. And if you keep pressing the point, your going to loose the right. The 2nd amendment doesn't specify where you can keep and where you can bear arms. You going to provoke them to chip away at our rights. BTW, most of us don't want OC people at our kids soccer games and other such public venues. Some people get pretty nutty over sports and kids and last thing we need is a pissed off nut with a gun.

[TheTman]

I never got what the point of open carrying an UNLOADED gun was, other than to create disturbances, so you could film the cops "hassling" you over your excercising your rights. Someone tried to explain it, but I just thought it was being foolish, and indeed it cost them a "right". I really don't get why people want to show they are carrying a gun. When I carry, I only want those directly affected by it to know, so they can either get out of the way, or take cover behind me. Most people I hang out with anymore carry, so that's becoming less of an issue. And I ask residents if they mind that I am carrying in their house, and others I know just to leave it in the car. I still have a couple friends that dislike guns immensely, so I respect that and leave it in the car. I don't think the husband would mind, but his wife gets her panties in a knot over any discussion of 2nd admendment rights, "only cops should have guns" and all that. Well, I guess she can throw her knotted up panties at someone when their home gets invaded.

[John222]

Here in central PA we had an incident of some woman OC ing at a kid soccer game. Turned into a big stir while she exercised her right. She was arrested if I recall and all kinds of legal wrangling started. Anyway it all ended when her husband shot her in the back of the head when she video chatting with some other guy. Once again an OC person looked like an idiot.

I hate to say this, but if you OC in public places you may as well write idiot on your hat.

[LMT42]

Here in central PA we had an incident of some woman OC ing at a kid soccer game. Turned into a big stir while she exercised her right. She was arrested if I recall and all kinds of legal wrangling started. Anyway it all ended when her husband shot her in the back of the head when she video chatting with some other guy. Once again an OC person looked like an idiot.

I thought that happened in Arizona? Didn't her husband kill himself, too? Perhaps I'm thinking of a different incident.

I hate to say this, but if you OC in public places you may as well write idiot on your hat.

Yep, seems to be a certain type of person that OCs. They're usually more concerned with being provocative and getting noticed than protecting themselves. Too bad, as I'd like Texas to legalize open carry so it wouldn't be an offense if someone happens to see your concealed weapon.

[John222]

Nope, right here in PA.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...m_is_shot.html

[tv_racin_fan]

I don't get it.

In these you tube videos one does not see normal everyday people going about their normal everyday business who just happen to open carry. These people are out to have some sort of confrontation and they video it for posting on youtube. Everyone who enjoys open carry does not set out to invite confrontation, some of us just happen to be more comfortable at times carrying openly.

In some parts of the country it aint totally unheard of to find some dude in Walmart with his single action revolver in his cowboy rig complete with ten gallon hat and boots, kinda hard to conceal that sort of rig.. tho he coulda worn his duster. Would I open carry in downtown Burbank?? NAHH... but I might well do so in downtown Cu mm ing GA. (in fact I have)

BUT please enlighten me as to which holster (IWB style) you think would be appropriate for concealing a Ruger Old Army revolver with 7 1/2 inch barrel. While you are at it my son has a Remington 1858 clone with 8 inch barrel and he does not like IWB, he would like some idea as to a concealable holster.. one that conceals in less than a duster/trenchcoat. Now understand that these are not our normal everyday carry handguns but on those days when we are hunting they go with us and we are likely to stop at the Waffle House for breakfast on the way out or lunch on the way home.. sometimes even visit Walmart or the gun shop while we are out. By the way it seems to me that it would be pointless to leave the revolver in the glove box when we would either have to stand in the parking lot and take off our holsters or leave em on... be kinda obvious that someone had been totin a handgun, and might still be, wouldn't it?

[John222]

I think when you open carry your just asking for attention and trouble. You can't use the dam thing unless your confronted with deadly force. For instance you strut into Bob Evans wearing that gun and some dad (1 foot and 100 lbs bigger than you) gets up in your face and maybe even starts ***** slapping you around in front of your wife. What are you going to do? You can't pull the dam gun, he's unarmed... Maybe you loose your temper and pull the gun to threated him. You still can't legally shoot him. And if he grabs it from you, he can pistol whip you or possibly even shoot you in self defense. Or the other possibility, you shoot an unarmed man. Now you really in trouble. So explain to what's the point of open carry, other that getting attention?

[Bawanna]

Guys my ugly meter is bouncing again. I'm not shutting this one down, we'll try to go the distance. I see both points of few and wearing hunting attire or a cowboy rig into a sporting goods store or a restaurant my be accepted in certain areas as mentioned.
I like legal open carry just so I'm not in the dog house if my covering garment fails momentarily.
Doesn't matter what I think really but we really gotta strive for civil and cool heads here.
Every time open carry is the subject threads get ugly and life's just too short to have to deal with ugly.

Group hug.

[muggsy]

Well they provoked something all right, AB144 was passed and as of Jan 1, 2012, OC of unloaded handguns is no longer legal in CA. I doubt if that was the result they were looking for. OC of unloaded long guns is still legal there.

Is that the fault of the OC proponents, or the fault of the socialist liberal idiots in California who elected Jerry Brown to office. If you are a resident of California get off your behind and stand up for your constitutional rights.

[muggsy]

I think when you open carry your just asking for attention and trouble. You can't use the dam thing unless your confronted with deadly force. For instance you strut into Bob Evans wearing that gun and some dad (1 foot and 100 lbs bigger than you) gets up in your face and maybe even starts ***** slapping you around in front of your wife. What are you going to do? You can't pull the dam gun, he's unarmed... Maybe you loose your temper and pull the gun to threated him. You still can't legally shoot him. And if he grabs it from you, he can pistol whip you or possibly even shoot you in self defense. Or the other possibility, you shoot an unarmed man. Now you really in trouble. So explain to what's the point of open carry, other that getting attention?

What do you do, tuck tail and run? I can't believe the number of weak sisters that are on this message board. If your constitutional rights aren't worth defending what will you defend?

[Longitude Zero]

Is that the fault of the OC proponents, or the fault of the socialist liberal idiots in California who elected Jerry Brown to office. If you are a resident of California get off your behind and stand up for your constitutional rights.

The obvious answer here is BOTH.

[TriggerMan]

I don't get it.

In these you tube videos one does not see normal everyday people going about their normal everyday business who just happen to open carry. These people are out to have some sort of confrontation and they video it for posting on youtube. Everyone who enjoys open carry does not set out to invite confrontation, some of us just happen to be more comfortable at times carrying openly.

In some parts of the country it aint totally unheard of to find some dude in Walmart with his single action revolver in his cowboy rig complete with ten gallon hat and boots, kinda hard to conceal that sort of rig.. tho he coulda worn his duster. Would I open carry in downtown Burbank?? NAHH... but I might well do so in downtown Cu mm ing GA. (in fact I have)

BUT please enlighten me as to which holster (IWB style) you think would be appropriate for concealing a Ruger Old Army revolver with 7 1/2 inch barrel. While you are at it my son has a Remington 1858 clone with 8 inch barrel and he does not like IWB, he would like some idea as to a concealable holster.. one that conceals in less than a duster/trenchcoat. Now understand that these are not our normal everyday carry handguns but on those days when we are hunting they go with us and we are likely to stop at the Waffle House for breakfast on the way out or lunch on the way home.. sometimes even visit Walmart or the gun shop while we are out. By the way it seems to me that it would be pointless to leave the revolver in the glove box when we would either have to stand in the parking lot and take off our holsters or leave em on... be kinda obvious that someone had been totin a handgun, and might still be, wouldn't it?

The solution to your self created problem (7 1/2 inch or 8 inch barrel) is to carry an appropriate concealement weapon. It isn't for us to find you a holster.

At least you recognize OC isn't for everywhere (downtown Burbank). We're making progress. Pray for the gun enthusiats in California. They just lost their right to OC effective January 1. Seems OC alienated the public. Is that where you want GA to go? Thought not. Give it some thought.

Carry on.

[TriggerMan]

What do you do, tuck tail and run?

What do you do when the law requires you to retreat? Be real, no internet tough guy BS, OK? Serious question on a serious topic.