Fast and Furious

[muggsy]

You've got it, J. I was getting bored anyway.

[oldjarhead]

Holder's desperate

Seen the latest. Holder during the latest Fast and Furious hearings, pulled the race card. He stated basically that because he was African-American, like obama, is the reason why he is being attacked. We are now up to 60 plus members of Congress, who want him to resign. His arrogance in the hearings is disgusting. This guy needs to go and be put in Federal prison.

[les strat]

Holder & Co. do not deserve to be fired, shuffled to another department, etc. They need to be imprisoned. What they did by supplying Mexican drug cartells with weapons could be considered an act of war by Mexico. If the shoe was on the other foot, how would we, the US, look at it. People have been lynched for far less than this scam.
No waiting for elections here. I say let the dogs loose on them.

[gkstemple]

Frankly, I don't care about the color of the United States Attorney General's skin. Nor do I care about the color of the President of the United States skin. They are, respectively, appointed and elected Federal Officials.

I care that there are 300+ dead citizens, killed in their own country of Mexico by criminals using guns our United States Government helped place into their hands during Operation Fast and Furious.

I care that on February 15, 2011 United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata was murdered while on duty in Mexico by Mexican drug cartel members armed with guns the United States Government helped place into their hands during Operation Fast and Furious.

I care that on December 15, 2010 United States Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry lost his life in the Arizona desert during a firefight with criminals armed with guns the United States Government helped place into their hands during Operation Fast and Furious.

I care that guns our United States Government helped move into criminal hands during Operation Fast and Furious have since been found at ELEVEN violent crime scenes in the United States.

I care that our United States Government helped at least 2,020 guns move into criminal hands during Operation Fast and Furious.

I care that about 1,500 of those "Operation Fast and Furious Guns" are still unaccounted for and are presumably in criminal hands SOMEWHERE in North America. Our United States Government CAN NOT GET THEM BACK. Indeed, the Mexican drug cartels have a reach into more than 1,000 US cities.

I care that Operation Fast and Furious "was part of an OCDETF investigation" (according to then-acting ATF Director Melson).

I care BECAUSE the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force "primarily concerns itself with the disruption of major drug trafficking operations and related crimes, such as money laundering, tax and weapon violations, and violent crime". So, they were supposed to be disrupting weapon violations, NOT facilitating them!

I care BECAUSE "the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task force utilizes the resources of eleven federal agencies to accomplish its objectives. This includes the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the U.S. Marshals Service, the Internal Revenue Service, and the U.S. Coast Guard – in cooperation with the Department of Justice Criminal Division, the Tax Division, and the 93 U.S. Attorney's Offices, as well as with state and local law enforcement." So, these government agencies just allocate their Agents and Budgeted Money willy-nilly about the country, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE PLAN IS and WITHOUT KNOWING WHO APPROVED THAT PLAN? Unbelievable.

I care that Employees and Agencies of our United States Government have repeatedly and deliberately provided "incorrect", "misleading" and "inaccurate" information about Operation Fast and Furious both to Congressional Investigators and to the American People. Bluntly, we have been lied to. By those whose word SHOULD be their bond.

To this old country boy -- and I suspect to much of the rest of America -- it looks like our United States Government has facilitated a criminal enterprise that has already, predictably, resulted in many homicides in two countries and will continue to do so for a number of years. It further appears that Federal Officials are actively engaged in a cover-up of Operation Fast and Furious, so that the people responsible will never be identified and never face justice.

My Two Bits Worth, Again.
Gary

[John222]

I don't give a dam! That's my take. Just an operation that didn't work out. now the republicans are beating this dead old horse.

[muggsy]

It didn't work out for the socialist democrats who would like to imposed more gun control laws on law abiding citizens. And it didn't work out for those who were murdered with the guns that our government gave to the drug cartels. Nothing to get excited about.

[Mr_D]

I don't give a dam! That's my take. Just an operation that didn't work out. now the republicans are beating this dead old horse.

Obviously you don't understand the problem, it's not an old dead horse. This is a totally new operation leading up to getting the US population to support more gun control.
Seems like you've fallen for it.

[John222]

The Democrats beat up Reagen over Iran Contra just to make political points. And now the Republicans are making much to do about nothing over Fast & Furious for the same reason. I don't give a dam about either. Both were just political smoke screens to disorient and polarize us voters.

[gkstemple]

The fallout from Operation Fast and Furious is not a Democrat, Republican, Liberal or Conservative problem. It is a National problem. Just like other National problems that half of us kept quiet about because it was "our guy" who was being taken to task.

The folks who conceived, approved and implemented Operation Fast and Furious honestly believe they are the smartest people on the planet and perhaps they are. We don't know who they are and they are doing everything they can to make sure we never find out who they are. They are expecting half of us to keep quiet if we do find out because it will be "our guy" being taken to task. Again.

The problem with Operation Fast and Furious was that either NOBODY in the decision-making loop gave a damn about the easily forseen deadly consequences of arming violent criminals or EVERYBODY in the decision-making loop made a concious decision to accept those consequences to advance a political agenda (stricter controlls on guns). I wish there were other choices but there are none.

Using the disaster they created with Operation Fast and Furious as a pretext, they have managed BY BATFE REGULATION, not by a law passed by Congress, to restrict gun sales in the entirity of the five US states that border Mexico -- that's a gun sales restriction in 1/10th of the states of the United States! And there is absolutely nothing stopping them from adding the other 9/10. Except, maybe, our voices. But they need to hear the roar from a multitude, not the raspy whisper of a few voices from fly-over country.

Wake up and smell the Ham. It's your own butt on the grill.

[apheod]

What's wrong with Santorum or Bachman. Both are rock solid conservatives. If you don't vote for a republican you're going to get another four years of Obama. That will kill our country. Hold your nose and pull the lever.

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...hele-bachmann/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rick-santorum/

yep, rock solid, those two. whats wrong with them? besides the fact that they're both fanatical hypochristians and spend most of their time lying through their teeth? or we could start talking ethics, their history of voting on bills, etc...

as i've said before, my girlfriend grew up down the street from bachmann. knows their family well, was good friends with her children and spent a lot of time in her basement. i think very little of politicians to begin with, and haven't been a bit surprised by some of the stories she's told me.

[muggsy]

Apheod, go troll new waters. There are no fish here.

[Bawanna]

I apologize once again for avoiding the RKBA arena. As usual it seems to have been ugly for several pages.

So just for fun let kiss this thread good bye.