Emily gets her gun

[kramm]

That's the Larry the Cable Guy version... keep and BARE arms.

Wynn

OOPs ,

[JFootin]

That's the Larry the Cable Guy version... keep and BARE arms.

Wynn

Good catch there, Wynn! ROFLMAO!!!

[wyntrout]

The right to BARE ARMS.

Wynn

[HDoc]

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I must have missed the part that says unless this or that happens.

Must of forgotten the first part: "A well regulated Militia"

[jlottmc]

Look at that phrase in the context it was written. At the time well regulated meant disciplined, proficient in the use of, not ruled and outlawed to death.

[HDoc]

Look at that phrase in the context it was written. At the time well regulated meant disciplined, proficient in the use of, not ruled and outlawed to death.

And at that time weapons were single shot, breech loading muskets.
Just saying....

[wyntrout]

And at that time weapons were single shot, breech loading muskets.
Just saying....

Muzzle-loading rifles and muskets... and shotguns.

That was one of the colonists' big advantages... some were armed with RIFLES and proficient at shooting beyond musket ranges.

Wynn

[HDoc]

Muzzle-loading rifles and muskets... and shotguns.

That was one of the colonists' big advantages... some were armed with RIFLES and proficient at shooting beyond musket ranges.

Wynn

I didn't realize that they had rifled barrels in the 1770's. That true?
I always figured that a rifle was a musket with a rifled barrel.

The lineage of the Civil War rifle-musket reaches back to early-17th-century France. About 1610, the muzzleloading, smoothbore flintlock musket was invented as an improvement on the matchlock musket, a similar firearm that depended on a lit match for ignition. As the name muzzleloading, smoothbore flintlock musket suggests, the gun was loaded (with loose gunpowder and a round ball) at the mouth of its barrel. The bore, or inside of the barrel, was smooth; unlike the later rifle-muskets, it contained no spiral rifling grooves to force the projectile to spin evenly and thus travel rapidly in a straight line like a spiraling football. The ignition system featured a hammer–called a cock–that held a small piece of flint. When the shooter pulled the trigger, the **** fell and scraped the flint against a rough piece of metal known as the frizzen pan cover. This showered sparks onto loose gunpowder in the frizzen pan, which then ignited the main powder charge inside the barrel, behind the projectile. The British army beat the French army to the punch and officially adopted the weapon in 1682. It eventually became the standard infantry firearm of Europe and America and remained so until the muzzleloading rifle-musket replaced it in the 1850s.
http://www.historynet.com/weaponry-t...-mini-ball.htm

[tv_racin_fan]

Must of forgotten the first part: "A well regulated Militia"

So which MILITIA do you belong to before you got your first firearm?

You will of course also note that it does not say one must belong to any such militia. Just that a MILITIA is neccessary for the security of the free state. Kinda hard to form a militia if no one has the arms aint it?

[tv_racin_fan]

Yes the colonists had rifles. Kentucky Rifle ring a bell? At the time Armies were outfitted with Muskets but hunters in many instances had rifles. The British army outfitted with the Infantry Rifle (Baker Rifle) starting in 1801. That was loosely modeled after a Jaeger Rifle which Hessian Mercenary units used in the US Revolution. Jeagers were first recruited into German armies around 1755 and they supplied their own arms so rifles were around before then.

[wyntrout]

Early American frontiersmen and conlonial hunters had some rifles. Here's some info from Wikipedia:

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle )

"The performance of early muskets was effective for the styles of warfare at the time, whereby soldiers tended to stand in long, stationary lines and fire at the opposing forces. Precise aiming and accuracy were not necessary to hit an opponent. Muskets were used for comparatively rapid, imprecisely aimed volley fire, and the average soldier could be easily trained to use them. The (muzzle-loaded) rifle was originally a sharpshooter's weapon used for targets of opportunity and deliberately aimed fire, first gaining notoriety in warfare during the Seven Years War and American War for Independence through their use by American frontiersmen. Later during the Napoleonic Wars, the British 95th Regiment (Green Jackets) and 60th Regiment, (Royal American), as well as American sharpshooters and riflemen during the War of 1812, used the rifle to great effect during skirmishing. Because of a slower loading time than a musket, they were not adopted by the whole army. Since rifles were used by sharpshooters who didn't routinely fire over other men’s shoulders, long length was not required to avoid the forward line. A shorter length made a handier weapon in which tight-fitting balls did not have to be rammed so far down the barrel."

I did say some had rifles... most were muskets and some rifled muskets... rifled barrels... rifles... whatever they had or could afford.

Wynn

[aray]

Thanks for sharing. Is there anyway of following her story without having a Twitter account?

No, you just have to go back to the site and follow the links. As you can see she links the end of each old story to the start of the next one. Still more articles to be published...

[Mr_D]

And at that time weapons were single shot, breech loading muskets.
Just saying....

So that means the First Amendment only covers papers/books printed with hand operated presses?

[tv_racin_fan]

And at that time weapons were single shot, breech loading muskets.
Just saying....

And where does it mention in the second amendment that the citizens will be restricted to those weapons?

[wyntrout]

I think we're entitled to have the latest state-of-the-art weapons, as the colonists had... those who could afford RIFLES... better than the military's muskets, but taking longer to load and actually aim... instead of volley fire at neat lines of the enemy. The muskets took less time to reload and was an example of quantity chosen over quality resulting in a higher volume of fire with a loss in accuracy... much as the "spray and pray" with high capacity pistols like Glocks.



Wynn