Wichester Ranger (Black Talon)

[jg rider]

They are unrelated bullets. Original Hi Shock Two were to replace the old hi shock bullets. They performed well in testing Federal decided to put them up against the what was new then Ranger T. They also decided to restrict sales to LE.

They performed like crap and were recalled. These were in the regular Federal classic 50 round box. In 2004 they were released again and packaged under the Federal Premium product line. Still restrict sales to LE. 2008 they were moved to the LE only Tactical product line.

OK I'm confused. The bullet I showed was a .38 that came out of a box labeled Hydra Shok. Where did Hi Shocks come in.

[hotpig]

Sorry, I was responding to RedRyders question.

[jg rider]

Sorry, I was responding to RedRyders question.

I knew that. I was asking you what is the history of the hi shock. What's the relationship between hydra shok and Hi Shock. If you tell me they're the same I'm gonna feel foolish

[hotpig]

The Hi Shock is Federal version of the Winchester White box hp ammo. Cheap bottom shelf ammo. The Hydra Shock is Federal top shelf defensive ammo.

They are not related in any way to each other or to the HST.

[CrazyLarry]

hotpig-

You are pretty much correct. The hi shok is their "basic" JHP with a wide point.

The el-cheapo Winchester JHP (also their subsonic and Super-X) line of ammo is based on the older "OSM" design. Midwayusa has the OSM bullets (147gr) on sale right now for $80/500 ...

[PYROhafe]

hot pig, like the site will be makin some purchases soon!

So might be off track a lil here, but....
why are they LEO rounds,(what makes em so special that only officers can use em)
how do i get my hands on some
what happens if you use those in a shtf situation
can you get in trouble for using LE rounds?

[hotpig]

The restriction is by the mfg. It is for marketing purposes.

[Kahrslinger]

Anyone have a link to where I can purchase Ranger t ammo.. I've been looking but keep finding" not available to public"

[hotpig]

I have some in stock.
http://www.prestostore.com/cgi-bin/s...l?ref=hotpig27

[Kahrslinger]

I have some in stock.
http://www.prestostore.com/cgi-bin/s...l?ref=hotpig27

Great thanks... Site says that the 230gr 46acp t series is on order, but the +p is in stock., I don't have any experience with +p and have read mixed reviews on the stuff.. What do you suggest for my CW45..?

[Kahrslinger]

Great prices by the way... I just paid 28$ for a 20 rd box of Gold Dot 185 gr at my LGS

[hotpig]

In standard pressure the RA45T is by far the most popular for me. The Gold Dot 53966 Federal HST P45HST2 Ranger RA45B then Golden Saber Bonded GSB45APB.

I ordered more Ranger in December. I hope what has not arrived, arrives soon.

[houdini]

I use ti carry black talon now I carry critcal defense in 380 acp, 9mm ,45 acp.