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    I am wanting to ask my my buddy wife who is a cop to buy me some Speer Gold Dot SB LE. The ammo is only available to Police Officers. Is it illegal for me to own, loaded in my EDC or to be in possesion of this ammo purchased by Police Officers? I need to know before I ask her. She has offered me ammo in the past but this is different. Also can one tell me if there is a difference in the Speer Gold Dot SB LE vs Speer Gold Dot SB?

    Thanks

  • #2
    I don't think it's a problem, at least not here in PA. Check your state laws. I think most of that stuff labeled LE is just for marketing purposes. I know LE gets a much better deal on ammo. I have alot of Hydra shoks labeled LE on the box.
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    • #3
      I agree, it's mostly marketing.

      Nothing ever produced for LE or military only ever seems to stay that way. The FN 5.7 has some rounds that are suppose to stay LE only but I suspect they'll get out. Sadly they are the only round that really makes that gun really great.
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      • #4
        Most of mine are labeled LE on the box. I agree that every state could be different. It is just a marketing ploy.

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        • #5
          ^^^Exactly. A marketing ploy. The only difference is that they are in 50 round boxes and can be bought for a little less per round. The supposedly non LE rounds are only in 20 round boxes. Kyle's Gun Shop always seems to have the LE 50 round boxes at good prices.
          Very interesting...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JFootin View Post
            ^^^Exactly. A marketing ploy. The only difference is that they are in 50 round boxes and can be bought for a little less per round. The supposedly non LE rounds are only in 20 round boxes. Kyle's Gun Shop always seems to have the LE 50 round boxes at good prices.
            What he says! 50 Round LE boxes of SD ammo is all I ever buy...beats the 20 round box prices. Buy it & enjoy!
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            • #7
              There are a few rounds that the BATF controls and are sold only to government or LE agencies. You'll never see them sold in a store. The LE labels on ammo you do see is the manufacturers way to separate "regular from high test".

              The FN 5.7 has some rounds that are suppose to stay LE only but I suspect they'll get out.
              I've never seen any bonded and controlled 5.7 or 4.6 ammo on the civilian market, and it's been in use for quite a while now. Not many people would risk a federal firearms felony for so little return I suspect.
              Judging by today's left wing, looks like Senator Joe McCarthy was right after all.

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              • #8
                LE ammo is hard for dealers to get in normal times so you don't see much on shelves for sale. In most cases, it is not regulated in sales by dealers - however you should check your local laws to make sure there are no local prohibitions. LE designation looks to me to be in part a marketing ploy, part a liability issue and part a price point issue. They designate it LE so they can sell a uniform "performance bullet" ammo. Pistol ammo is all about the bullet and powder charge. I don't value most of the LE designated ammo as any better than you can make yourself at less cost. If you have the time and interest I recommend you buy reloading equipment and roll you own for your self defense rounds.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ripley16 View Post
                  There are a few rounds that the BATF controls and are sold only to government or LE agencies. You'll never see them sold in a store. The LE labels on ammo you do see is the manufacturers way to separate "regular from high test".



                  I've never seen any bonded and controlled 5.7 or 4.6 ammo on the civilian market, and it's been in use for quite a while now. Not many people would risk a federal firearms felony for so little return I suspect.
                  They have a 5.7 LE only round that is AP so it is hard to come by. I sell Ranger, Federal Tactical, Gold Dot LE, Golden Saber Bonded LE, and Hornady LE ammo. I do not mess with that 5.7 load because it is regulated tightly.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hotpig View Post
                    I do not mess with that 5.7 load because it is regulated tightly.
                    I think they do that because it can defeat body armor.
                    Very interesting...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JFootin View Post
                      I think they do that because it can defeat body armor.
                      Yes, like hot butter.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Salty View Post
                        LE ammo is hard for dealers to get in normal times so you don't see much on shelves for sale. In most cases, it is not regulated in sales by dealers - however you should check your local laws to make sure there are no local prohibitions. LE designation looks to me to be in part a marketing ploy, part a liability issue and part a price point issue. They designate it LE so they can sell a uniform "performance bullet" ammo. Pistol ammo is all about the bullet and powder charge. I don't value most of the LE designated ammo as any better than you can make yourself at less cost. If you have the time and interest I recommend you buy reloading equipment and roll you own for your self defense rounds.
                        I reload nearly everything I shoot but I never ever carry reloads for self defense. Mostly on the theory that an attorney could make me into a make my own killing machine.
                        By using factory stuff if they ask what kind of ammo I can say the stuff the guy at the gun shop told me to use, I don't remember what it's called.
                        Probably a moot point and I'm not far from having to carry reloads since I can't find nor afford good carry stuff and I'm pretty low on carry inventory. Guess I could resort to carrying dept stuff if it comes down to it.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pfunk436 View Post
                          I am wanting to ask my my buddy wife who is a cop to buy me some Speer Gold Dot SB LE. The ammo is only available to Police Officers. Is it illegal for me to own, loaded in my EDC or to be in possesion of this ammo purchased by Police Officers? I need to know before I ask her. She has offered me ammo in the past but this is different. Also can one tell me if there is a difference in the Speer Gold Dot SB LE vs Speer Gold Dot SB?

                          Thanks

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Salty View Post
                            If you have the time and interest I recommend you buy reloading equipment and roll you own for your self defense rounds.
                            I agree that home-grown ammo can be more economical to shoot. But I would limit use to the range, only. Using handloads in a self-defense shooting will make your defense far more complicated.

                            My EDC will always be a stock pistol with high quality manufactured self-defense rounds.
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                            • #15
                              It's probably like the regular Gold Dots... 50-round boxes for LE at lower cost and 20-round boxes for "civilian" use at double the price per round.

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