Certain situations, how to handle?

[f44life]

Iam going to list a number of situations that I dont not wish on anyone and would like for you experience ccw holders to respond in the way you would approach each situation.

1.)You walk in a gas station at night by yourself, one guy behind the counter and no one else in the store....you go take a wizz in the back left of the gas station....While your peeing you here someone come in the store and start yelling give me the money and you here a gunshot and you still here the guy behind the counter screaming in fear.....What is your next move?

2.)Your in the run down bad side of the neigbhorhood, your at a light no one around and it usually takes a while for it to turn green a, scuzzy bearded man comes walking up to the driverside of your window and puts his hand in his jacket very abrutly and is searching for something and he is within 10yards of your vehicle what do you do?

3)Your in a mall with your wife or (man for women carrying)....your on the second floor and you hear people screaming and gunshots coming from the other side of the mall like 100yards away. what do you do?

4)Your driving home from work and you accidently ride close to someones bumper in front of you and at the light you see him flipping you off and you do nothing then the next light he gets out with a bat two cars ahead of you and heads your way. There is no room to move your vehicle. What do you do?


5)Lets say you live in an apartment and you here gunshots across the hall and your door is locked and someone you know personally lives there....what do you do?

6)Your at a taco bell and a guy and girl that seem to be together are eating and all of a sudden the guy gets angry and starts slapping the girl (that is pregnant) everyone just looks and then she starts to run and he chases her and pulls a knife what is your next move?

7)You see a group of younger 20 year olds with gang like clothing (man capri's and 4foot long shirts) start beating up an elderly (60+) man on the side of the road? do you just drive by?

8)You pull in a gas station, and a man walks up to you and gives you a compliment about your vehicle while your half way out the door and then says to you very calmy give me money now dont make a scene and you wont get hurt and flashes you a gun stuff in his front belt behind his open shirt. What do you do?


thanks for your replies

[Bawanna]

Iam going to list a number of situations that I dont not wish on anyone and would like for you experience ccw holders to respond in the way you would approach each situation.

1.)You walk in a gas station at night by yourself, one guy behind the counter and no one else in the store....you go take a wizz in the back left of the gas station....While your peeing you here someone come in the store and start yelling give me the money and you here a gunshot and you still here the guy behind the counter screaming in fear.....What is your next move?

2.)Your in the run down bad side of the neigbhorhood, your at a light no one around and it usually takes a while for it to turn green a, scuzzy bearded man comes walking up to the driverside of your window and puts his hand in his jacket very abrutly and is searching for something and he is within 10yards of your vehicle what do you do?

3)Your in a mall with your wife or (man for women carrying)....your on the second floor and you hear people screaming and gunshots coming from the other side of the mall like 100yards away. what do you do?

4)Your driving home from work and you accidently ride close to someones bumper in front of you and at the light you see him flipping you off and you do nothing then the next light he gets out with a bat two cars ahead of you and heads your way. There is no room to move your vehicle. What do you do?


5)Lets say you live in an apartment and you here gunshots across the hall and your door is locked and someone you know personally lives there....what do you do?

6)Your at a taco bell and a guy and girl that seem to be together are eating and all of a sudden the guy gets angry and starts slapping the girl (that is pregnant) everyone just looks and then she starts to run and he chases her and pulls a knife what is your next move?

7)You see a group of younger 20 year olds with gang like clothing (man capri's and 4foot long shirts) start beating up an elderly (60+) man on the side of the road? do you just drive by?

8)You pull in a gas station, and a man walks up to you and gives you a compliment about your vehicle while your half way out the door and then says to you very calmy give me money now dont make a scene and you wont get hurt and flashes you a gun stuff in his front belt behind his open shirt. What do you do?


thanks for your replies

Dang dude you got alot of serious questions here. Remember opinions are like noses, everyone has one. That being said and given that sometimes more information would be helpful, here's my answers.

1. I'd maintain my position, call police if I had a phone. If the BG leaves take a good position of cover and render aid to the clerk.

2. Drive fast. ( I would avoid the bad part of town in the first place if at all possible.

3. Seek hard cover for yourself and those around you. Secure your area if possilble. Stay put till all is clear or the BG approaches you. Make very clear to all around you that you are a good guy if you display your gun. Be very cautious of possible off duty police or other armed good guys. Work with them. They will likely seek out the bad guy, they most likely won't want you to come along. Stay put.

4. Lock doors, roll up windows. Call police if at all possible. Move away from window if it appears he will swing the bat. Do not display weapon or do anything to escalate the situation. If he breaks the window and attempts to enter and do further harm, shoot him.

5. Seek hard cover, call police. Call your neighbor. Be a good witness, get information if you can see anything. If I saw that the BG was shooting to scare with a threat to actually shoot, I'd no doubt approach and challenge although this isn't really the right thing to do. I just take care of friends, its a curse.

6. Very tough call but who wouldn't help a damsel in distress. I would most certainly draw weapon, order him to stop and drop the knife. If he stops and turns his assault on me and advances, shoot him. If he doesn't stop and pursues the girl I would pursue him and do all I could to stop him up to and including shooting him. Be ready for legal hell in this one, especially if she side with him and they often do and swears he really wouldn't hurt her.

7. Drive by? Not happening, it might be Jocko and I got Jocko's back. I would not drive by. I would challenge from the car. Probably even drive into the crowd as close as I could but keep the gang all on one side, preferably passenger side. Could be a tough deal with that many. If they turn towards me, it's not a good situation. I'd try to sort out the head or leader who will probably be coming towards me and shoot him first. The rest of the quail will usually but not always seek life elsewhere. Respect your elders, save the old man or lady.

8. Give him the money. Memorize what he looks like. Don't even try the make my day scenario. Not worth it. If he goes for the draw, attack attack attack. A physical attack might be quicker than a draw in that scenario. Knock him down, break his face, then use your gun to get his. Game Over.

Let me know how I did. Pass / Fail good enough. Don't use my answers as any kind of guideline. Each deal depends on alot of circumstances. Not always the same by a long stretch.

[f44life]

i feel you did good, i put this on here with a variety of situation they may happen to someone and what is the best way to handle it. I know i didnt give all the info needed.

[f44life]

Iam going to list a number of situations that I dont not wish on anyone and would like for you experience ccw holders to respond in the way you would approach each situation.

1.)You walk in a gas station at night by yourself, one guy behind the counter and no one else in the store....you go take a wizz in the back left of the gas station....While your peeing you here someone come in the store and start yelling give me the money and you here a gunshot and you still here the guy behind the counter screaming in fear.....What is your next move?

2.)Your in the run down bad side of the neigbhorhood, your at a light no one around and it usually takes a while for it to turn green a, scuzzy bearded man comes walking up to the driverside of your window and puts his hand in his jacket very abrutly and is searching for something and he is within 10yards of your vehicle what do you do?

3)Your in a mall with your wife or (man for women carrying)....your on the second floor and you hear people screaming and gunshots coming from the other side of the mall like 100yards away. what do you do?

4)Your driving home from work and you accidently ride close to someones bumper in front of you and at the light you see him flipping you off and you do nothing then the next light he gets out with a bat two cars ahead of you and heads your way. There is no room to move your vehicle. What do you do?


5)Lets say you live in an apartment and you here gunshots across the hall and your door is locked and someone you know personally lives there....what do you do?

6)Your at a taco bell and a guy and girl that seem to be together are eating and all of a sudden the guy gets angry and starts slapping the girl (that is pregnant) everyone just looks and then she starts to run and he chases her and pulls a knife what is your next move?

7)You see a group of younger 20 year olds with gang like clothing (man capri's and 4foot long shirts) start beating up an elderly (60+) man on the side of the road? do you just drive by?

8)You pull in a gas station, and a man walks up to you and gives you a compliment about your vehicle while your half way out the door and then says to you very calmy give me money now dont make a scene and you wont get hurt and flashes you a gun stuff in his front belt behind his open shirt. What do you do?


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I am in the pursuit of my ccw and a kahr pistol and iam 24yrs old heres what i would do.

1). I would close the stall door and stand on the toilet crouched down (so an assilant couldnt see the feet if he did enter and call the police with my cell and gun in the other hand and or if the door swings in stand on the side it swings in and wait the situation out.

2.) look both ways and run the light with my foot to the floor

3.) Call 911 behind a counter, wait it out, if the assilant comes near me, and i feel he is ready to take lives and if he already has taken some, i would wait for him to turn his back and open fire on him.

4.) If he gets close to my window i would make my gun visual to him but not point it at him...if he continues bust in my window and repeatdly hits, open fire

5.) Check if i lock my door again and have my gun right there if the assilant decides to bust my door down for some reason and call 911.

6.) draw my weapon and tell him to stop, if he stabs her i would probably do what i could to stop him physically, he stabs at me i open fire.

7.) I would depend on the location, if its inner city alot of traffic i would call 911 and drive by...If it was on a road were there is little traffic, i would roll down the window with my hand on my gun and ask them to stop and go from there, if they continue then i legally couldnt do anything.

8.) Tell him I only have debit cards with pin numbers, sorry cant help ya, if he draws draw first

[jlottmc]

Bawanna your answers are text book correct. Me I lean a little more on the aggressive side, call it the Marine in me, or the cop or what have you. I have intervened before, and feel that at least for me it is the right thing to do. I was also raised to help those in a weaker position than I am. Just remember this also, the gun is not the only solution to the problem, i.e. skinny pedals and such, shoulder hits from awkward positions still knock people to the ground, as well as off their game plan. Some of these are entirely too close to home, but good thought at any rate. What works for me may not and probably won't work for you.

[f44life]

um surprised nobody else answered this

[jlottmc]

Don't feel bad, many don't want to show gaps in their OODA loop. Many also figure that just because they have the weapon, and think they will use it, that it's enough. Then there are those who have been there and seen that movie before, most don't talk about it, lest it come across as boasting/mall ninjaery/who'd believe the strange KRaP that happens in a fight anyway. Some even have a rudimentary plan and don't realize that the first thing that is going to happen is their plan goes to hell quickly, as does the back up and usually a couple more. I asked a couple of thorny ones before to see what kind of reaction I would get, and got the same.

[Tack]

Iam going to list a number of situations that I dont not wish on anyone and would like for you experience ccw holders to respond in the way you would approach each situation.

1.)You walk in a gas station at night by yourself, one guy behind the counter and no one else in the store....you go take a wizz in the back left of the gas station....While your peeing you here someone come in the store and start yelling give me the money and you here a gunshot and you still here the guy behind the counter screaming in fear.....What is your next move?

2.)Your in the run down bad side of the neigbhorhood, your at a light no one around and it usually takes a while for it to turn green a, scuzzy bearded man comes walking up to the driverside of your window and puts his hand in his jacket very abrutly and is searching for something and he is within 10yards of your vehicle what do you do?

3)Your in a mall with your wife or (man for women carrying)....your on the second floor and you hear people screaming and gunshots coming from the other side of the mall like 100yards away. what do you do?

4)Your driving home from work and you accidently ride close to someones bumper in front of you and at the light you see him flipping you off and you do nothing then the next light he gets out with a bat two cars ahead of you and heads your way. There is no room to move your vehicle. What do you do?


5)Lets say you live in an apartment and you here gunshots across the hall and your door is locked and someone you know personally lives there....what do you do?

6)Your at a taco bell and a guy and girl that seem to be together are eating and all of a sudden the guy gets angry and starts slapping the girl (that is pregnant) everyone just looks and then she starts to run and he chases her and pulls a knife what is your next move?

7)You see a group of younger 20 year olds with gang like clothing (man capri's and 4foot long shirts) start beating up an elderly (60+) man on the side of the road? do you just drive by?

8)You pull in a gas station, and a man walks up to you and gives you a compliment about your vehicle while your half way out the door and then says to you very calmy give me money now dont make a scene and you wont get hurt and flashes you a gun stuff in his front belt behind his open shirt. What do you do?


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After careful consideration of your examples, I suggest moving from your neighborhood.

[jreXD9]

I snap my fingers and go invisible like that old guy on SOAP from the 70s. OOPS, just showed my approx age......

[jocko]

I know

Bawanna your answers are text book correct. Me I lean a little more on the aggressive side, call it the Marine in me, or the cop or what have you. I have intervened before, and feel that at least for me it is the right thing to do. I was also raised to help those in a weaker position than I am. Just remember this also, the gun is not the only solution to the problem, i.e. skinny pedals and such, shoulder hits from awkward positions still knock people to the ground, as well as off their game plan. Some of these are entirely too close to home, but good thought at any rate. What works for me may not and probably won't work for you.

I have said this before. I owned a gun business for over 40years and was armed robbed twice. I went into a survival mode as soon as I had a shotgun (once) and a 38 revolver the other time) shoved in my face.You just cannot outdraw that event, just no way. a shot gun trumps all guns at 10 feet. That is a damn big hole to look down at-trust me on that... Money is replaceable, lives are not. they wanted money , not to kill me, had I tried to be John wayne instead of Wayne Newton, I probalby would not be writing this. Best advice I can give is to always keep a clean pair of shorts near by, for once you have what happened to me twice, you will fill your shorts, just no doubt in my mind. Scenarios are just what they are SCENARIOS.

[f44life]

After careful consideration of your examples, I suggest moving from your neighborhood.

I came up with all that in my head randomly....yep scenarios are scenarios but you need to run a few in your head to prepare.

[Bawanna]

My watch don't have small enough increments to measure time that small. Although you can keep Pam for yourself, I know where shes been. Can Carmen to tickle fights one on one. Awww never mind, I don't care where she's been, bring it.

Wow, thanks man, for about 3.4 seconds I didn't think about the angel! I used to think I'm an armorer, now I realize I'm a lesbian. OH we've already been there.

ok bye.

[f44life]

i would say i have to pull out my other gun that isnt in a holster

[jocko]

ur

OK, here is a better SCENARIO.


You are sitting on the bed, in a motel room. When all of a sudden Pamela Anderson and Carmen Electra burst into the room. They announce that they are somewhat drunk and, want to have a "Tickle Fight" with you.

Exactly how long would it take you to toss your KAHR pistol over on the nightstand ????

a very sick man Ryoung what a damn fantastic scenario. Bet 10 of us here on this forum could come up with 10 different "exciting" scenarios. I think Carmen E is even a poster figure for some of Harley Davidson ads, and oh boy does she do a great job of poising on a Harley. I tried to buy the seat off the Harley Fatboy that she poised on but Bawanna already beat me to it..

[Bawanna]

One of those snooze ya lose scenarios for sure. I still have it. I've often thought I want to be reincarnated as a ladies saddle but I think a ladies Harley seat might be a better choice.
Course if Murphy follows me around in my next life as he has this one I'll probably get a fat chick with uncontrollable bowels for a rider. Can a person be reincarnated to He!l?