Got New Training Aid

[OldLincoln]

My birthday was good to me this year and those who know mw know what I like, so I'm getting a new Silent Thunder STX OWB Holster, and I received a LaserLyte 9mm Trainer Cartridge.

This is sooooo cool!! I thought I was doing pretty good with my laser pen attachment to the PM9, but range trips made me a liar. The LaserLyte proves my range trips and now I think I'm getting the real deal.

It slides into the chamber of the unloaded PM9 fully aligned with the bore and is activated by the striker pin hitting the button switch.



Perhaps the best thing is I can't seem to put it down and have "shot up" all the wallpaper and door knobs, etc in the house. I have to reset the striker with a partial rack which forces me to focus on each shot. If it were anything else I know I'd just be pulling the trigger repeatedly and loose the training aspect. I want my first shot out of the holster right on, and I think this will help.

Just passing the info along as an encouragement to practice at home to refine your skills before shooting all your ammo at the range. I did renew my range member ship after I got an additional $50 off for being so old. If I live long enough they may pay me to hang around the place!

[Rainman48314]

they're great

I have a 9mm kit with a bunch of small targets which really light up on center hits. Its fun to train with around the condo. I wasn't able to get my PM9 to work. Would that mean too light a striker hit?

http://www.adorama.com/LASU9MBSCK.html

[OldLincoln]

I'm not sure. If it works for others and you can push the striker button and it lights up then it's obviously not getting hit by the striker. I'm assuming you are half racking to reset the striker and it clicks okay. If it is a rod thing that fits into the barrel beyond the chamber, with the slide closed, you may need to push it from the muzzle into the breach. Other than that I just don't know.

I did see the targets you mentioned tho. LaserLyte has a $150 electronic target the displays and records the hits. Then you shoot the magic button on the left and it shows all your shots at once, then the magic button on the right to clear the shots. It's cool but I'm thinking more on the line of targets taped around the house and do "clear" the house drills. Maybe get my wife to put up targets so I don't know where they are. Is that fun or what?!

[TucsonMTB]

Here's a YouTube Video by the company. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTwK_9pIhG4

Neat toy! But, at about $90 delivered, I will have to find another way to annoy my wife around the house.

[OldLincoln]

You're right about the price, but I have to say I've gone through a few hundred rounds trying to get an imprint on a new to me shooting style. It has a high, aimed, position that I shoot very well as I can actually see the sights with it. But they have a low, un-aimed, position for close in shooting that I struggle with. It's this that led me to spend my birthday money on the laser.

Not only was I wasting ammo, but I don't get to the range as much as I need to nail the new style. This is like having a tutor at home and I'll try to solve the issue sooner than otherwise. Plus it can lead into some IDPA type drills in the house. I seriously considered an Airsoft gun as JohnH recommended for this but it would have been closer to $150 by the time I got it equipped.

[paul34]

Although I'm always hesitant about things that require me to load something into the chamber and pull the trigger, I am pretty interested in this as well. I also can't get out to the range as much as I want to, plus, like many ranges, my ranges has rules that makes realistic CC-style practice difficult. I could have a lot more freedom at home. Of course, this can't simulate recoil, noise, etc. but it could really help you to refine concepts like point shooting, retention shooting, etc.

If I had the money, I'd snap these up. I think they could pay for themselves if you have a similar restrictive circumstance.

[OldLincoln]

Here's a YouTube Video by the company. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTwK_9pIhG4

Neat toy! But, at about $90 delivered, I will have to find another way to annoy my wife around the house.

I've been thinking about the "annoy my wife" bit. Her sister got her a keyboard for Christmas and she practices on it for an hour or so several times a week. I really don't mind even though she plays the same 3 songs over and over because I know she loves it.

Given that, I don't think There will be the "click comments", then again, I'm not going to sit watching TV shooting all the bad guys either.

[TucsonMTB]

You're right about the price, but I have to say I've gone through a few hundred rounds trying to get an imprint on a new to me shooting style. It has a high, aimed, position that I shoot very well as I can actually see the sights with it. But they have a low, un-aimed, position for close in shooting that I struggle with. It's this that led me to spend my birthday money on the laser.

Not only was I wasting ammo, but I don't get to the range as much as I need to nail the new style. This is like having a tutor at home and I'll try to solve the issue sooner than otherwise. Plus it can lead into some IDPA type drills in the house. I seriously considered an Airsoft gun as JohnH recommended for this but it would have been closer to $150 by the time I got it equipped.

Makes sense. You are a more serious trainer than I, so it is money well spent for you. Add that how much easier it is to clean up laser flashes compared to those little Airsoft pellets and it's a "no brainer".

I've been thinking about the "annoy my wife" bit. Her sister got her a keyboard for Christmas and she practices on it for an hour or so several times a week. I really don't mind even though she plays the same 3 songs over and over because I know she loves it.

Given that, I don't think There will be the "click comments", then again, I'm not going to sit watching TV shooting all the bad guys either.

The fact that you even concern yourself about annoying her suggests that it will not be an issue. My office is at one end of the house. SWMBO has a computer Armour in the great room, nearly at the other end of the house. I don't get many complaints, but if there is one it usually centers around not being nearby enough to annoy her.

It sounds like you enjoy a similar well balanced relationship. That's a good thing.

[garyb]

Looks like a very interesting dry fire practice tool. I dry fire practice regularly/daily and will check it out for sure. In fact, my wife and I are attending a dry fire and live fire gun handling program today, at a local gun range. I feel 50-75% or more of practice should be dry fire and the rest should be live fire. Dry fire practice can be done every day and costs 0.

Would a Crimson Trace Laser sighting system result in triggering the Laserlyte target device... In other words, would I need to remove or tape over the CTL to use this LaserLyte chambered device with their target receptor? Thanks for sharing this info on the LaserLyte tool. Appreciated.

[garyb]

Ouch - expensive

I checked out their price: TLB-1 target $199.95 + LT-40 laser $99.95 = $300 round numbers plus shipping. That's an expensive training tool and equivalent to 2000 rounds of ammo or a nice deposit on a new gun.

It seems to be a great dry fire training tool and nothing against it, but there are also cheaper ways to achieve good dry fire results with a CTL. I just can't justify that price, so let's hope their prices come down. Thanks for sharing the info. I will keep watching for a better deal on this one.

[OldLincoln]

Gary, that's only if you get the $200 target. I'm training for self defense and a single stationary target isn't going to do it for me, no matter how cool.

As for the CT laser, it stays on so may interfere with the 200ms shot of the LaserLyte. I would tape over it if I had one. It's that snap shot out of the holster that I'm concerned about. No time to drag a laser spot to the right place.

I have a laser pen I can mount to the gun and used that at first. I realized I wasn't getting an accurate placement of the shot itself because it remained on. This one is a much more accurate as proved to myself by matching my actual poor performance at the range.

[garyb]

OldLincoln,
Are you using only the chambered light without the receptor target?

I can see that the laserlyte has a wonderful purpose for dry fire training. Again, I believe dry fire training is essential. The chambered light may be a better training tool at a better price, if the light can be used well without the receptor target. The light can be moved from gun to gun. It is less expensive than a CTL.

Because I already have a CTL, my mindset automatically goes to comparison of the CTL to Laserlyte. At this point, I have a CTL and for dry fire practice, it serves the same purpose as the LaserLyte because I can see where my shot would hit when I pull the trigger. Both the CTL or LaserLyte will serve the same purpose in this regard. The CTL is there if I need it in low light defense and adds less than 1 oz to my gun. ON the other hand, the LaserLyte can be moved from gun to gun of same caliber, is 1/2 the cost of a CTL ($100 for Laserlyte vs $150-200 for CTL). However, that is assuming that the Laserlyte can be used with good results without the receptor target. My CTL has been so reliable and effective, and the prices are so close that I'll probably stick with the CTL for now. Nothing against the Laserlyte and I will be watching to see more about the unique benefits of the laserlyte. Thanks again for sharing this info.

I will add one thing. If you practice dry fire with either device (CTL or laserlyte), your shooting WILL absolutely be guaranteed to improve. Especially if you use dry fire in the same proportions or more frequently than recoil time AND don't over shoot at the range. Yesterday my wife and I attended a gun training program consisting of dry fire training. Excellent training program. Then the instructors applied the dry fire training on the range. Remarkable results. If the plan is to improve, dry fire is the tool and the Laserlyte or CTL are excellent tools. You can practice dry fire every day of the week and then spend an hour on the range applying live fire to confirm your dry fire training. AMAZING RESULTS!

[OldLincoln]

Gery, Yes only the chambered laser. It projects well in and I haven't had problems seeing it against most objects, even in a room with the light on.

I suppose if I had a CTL installed I wouldn't have both. I have a laser pen that I mounted on the gun but discovered I wasn't pulling the trigger until it was on target. My objective is to have it on target when I first point so the pen defeated my objective. The CTL is with you all the time so it would not matter - except if it takes time to get things aligned.

I agree with the training value aspect as my initial shots are already much improved.

[garyb]

Good to know OldLincoln. I'll keep my eyes on this laserlyte device. It seems to be priced right. Let us know how it holds up, please.

I have gotten used to using my CTL two ways. Sometimes I practice indexing without pressing the laser on button on my grip. Mine turns ON with the index finger pressure (probably like most do). I use a looser grip on the index finger and point then add a little finger press the button to see where I've indexed. The other way is simply to watch the laser when I press the trigger to make sure I have stayed on target and followed through. Works kind of the same as the laserlyte tool. Both good practice.

Like I said, that Laserlyte is another great dry fire tool. It may find a place in my tool bag someday. Thanks again for sharing. I did not know this device was out there.

[Rainman48314]

me too

I just bought the 9mm laser "bullet" for $92. Works great in my PM9. I hope to master the DA trigger pull. The other product I have is a kit which includes six or seven 4x4" targets. They look like thin plastic but light brightly on center hits. Instead of a bullet, this is a device with a hollow tube that comes out of the muzzle and a red cap can be attached as a reminder the gun is set up for dry fire. Doesn't setup as quick as the new generation device and did not work in my Kahr. Worked in an HK P30 and SR9c. Highly recommend the company's products.