Crossbreed MiniTuck issues...

[burns]

Hybrid, leather backed kydex holsters can't be tested the same way full kydex or traditional leather holsters can be. Some of the retention is from the leather 'pushing' in when you are wearing it. It's the reason that Comptac uses the same kydex bodies for PM9 and PM40's, and for 9mm, .40 cal and .357 Glocks.

They don't do this with their full kydex models (like Bladetech), only their hybrids, because the flexible leather backing creates the retention when it is worn. So, if you must do the upside down and shake it test with a hybrid, then you need to do a handstand and then vigorously do push ups and see if it comes out. Any other upside down test is not valid.

I agree that the hybrids are a different animal. My Sidearmor for my Glock is amazingly well made, has perfectly defined lines and the retention is excellent and adjustable. However, it is an all kydex scabbard holster with retention screws and it is thicker kydex, so it would be unfair to compare it to a hybrid like the Crossbreed. I agree that the Crossbreed kydex has to be thin enough and "forgiving" enough that it will flex a bit on it's own (without retention buffers) so it can't be as perfectly formed and as tight as some other holsters.

Like I said, the "upside down test" is not an end in itself. Also, I did not intend to say that if a holster is turned upside down and it falls out, it is a poor holster and if it stays in that it is a good holster with proper retention. I was just using it as a way of explaining that when it was turned upside down, the gun fell out with literally no retention at all. There was just nothing holding it in place. If it fell out but there was a bit of resistance, that would be a different story; there was no resistance except a tiny bit of noise from the metal touching against the kydex on it's way out. It was a "free drop."

The retention was also "zero" when wearing the holster. As you mention that could make a big difference. However, there was no retention when wearing the holster.

I hope that makes sense. I can see where the confusion would come from when one hears the phrase "upside down test." I actually didn't use the word "test" when I called Crossbreed, I just said something like "when I turn it upside down it falls out with no resistance." I was just trying to convey that there was no retention.

[recoilguy]

Bottom line for me is I have to like what I pay for. Xbreed says if you don't like it they will fix it or buy it back in the first 2 weeks and after that they will fix it. Let them make you happy, It seems like they want happy customers. Which test is legit and which may not be is good info to have but the test here that matters is will Xbreed make you happy.

Thats just my opinion however.

RCG

[Mdubtech]

Anyone with a Minituck carry both a PM9 and a K40 with the same holster? Is that a viable option? Just wondering because I have both and want to use the same holster.

[Ol'coot]

Anyone with a Minituck carry both a PM9 and a K40 with the same holster? Is that a viable option? Just wondering because I have both and want to use the same holster.

I have a PM9 with the CT LG-437 laser guard and purchased my crossbreed Mini-tuck made to fit, It also fits the PM( without the laser guard installed and I do also have a K40 and it fits it perfectly.

According to the crossbreed website the Mini-tuck fits all Kahr's except the Kahr P380 K,PM,MK,K,T,TP,CW, If order for the CT laser guard 437 it still fits all of the above with or without the laser installed

[hedgehog]

Ive found that comp-tac has a better looking and performing holster in general, i've used both.

[wyntrout]

Anyone with a Minituck carry both a PM9 and a K40 with the same holster? Is that a viable option? Just wondering because I have both and want to use the same holster.

I have the MiniTuck in horsehide (sweater) and all of my Kahrs fit it, except the P380... it has its own Minituck.

Let me see if I can find one of my posts on this:

I've said this a few times, but I have a horsehide Minituck that I got for my PM9. My K9 drops into it. My PM45 fits it fine. The .45 was only a tiny bit more resistance than the PM9, which was a pleasant surprise... not having to buy another holster for the .45.
It would seem that the P45 would fit if the PM45 does. I didn't have to use much extra pressure to get the PM45 into the PM9 holster. The P's barrel is 1/2" longer and the grip is one round longer, but the width is the same. There's only 1/10" difference in the width between the 9mm and the .45... okay 0.11 inch.

AND:

I don't have to tug... it's like it was made for the PM45, which is fine with me, as that's my main carry. The K9 is really loose but belt tension will hold it in. The PM9 is not "tight" but fine with belt tension. the PM45 is retained when the holster is held upside down, the K9 not at all and the PM9 only shows the slightest hesitation before falling out. The PM45 requires a shake. This is not a great "test" because wearing the holster molds it to your body and retention is greatly affected by carry position and the tightness of your belt. If you think "committing" the holster to the PM45 may prevent proper fit and retention with the "smaller" pistols, then this one size fits all might not suit you.
If I'm going to wear the Minituck, I'll carry the PM45. It's only 4 ounces more than the PM9 and about 6 ounces lighter than the K9... and my favorite caliber.

If you sweat or live where it's warm, go with the horsehide. It's only $10 more and cheaper than remorse! Don't forget the 10% discount... see FAQs.

Pix:
http://kahrtalk.com/pm-series-pistol...html#post16058

Wynn