Appendix Carry…Thousands of Thugs Can’t be Wrong!

[JFootin]

JFootin, I agree 100% on using leather. The Garity looks like an awesome piece, but yes it is pricey as well as who knows how long it is going to take to get one. Here is another option,http://www.ttgunleather.com/catalog/i94.html I personally do not have any experience with them but I have heard good things. I have contemplated ordering one from them. Their price is $60 less. I also like using the High Noon Holsters "Mr Softy" it is a thinner leather that is not fitted like many other holsters but it takes on the shape of the gun nicely and is very minimalistic. The mouth of the holster is not reinforced so it does collapse when the gun is removed but it is not an issue for me as I am not drawing and reholstering like I would be in a training environment. I like to carry my PM9 using the Mr Softy as it hides very well. I would say I am built much like you. If I wear a kydex holster, I need to make sure I have a baggy shirt on as the gun and holster has a tendency to roll forward and print due to my "extra baggage".

A friend of mine named Spencer Keepers is making a new holster called the "keeper" and is supposed to be an awesome holster. It is $150 but a lot of trainers and LEO buddies are swearing by it.

Mike

Thanks, Mike. Those are both interesting holsters, but they seem like they would ride too high, especially with a larger gun like the PPQ, and my big belly would push it out at the top, making it print and jaming the muzzle into my lower belly. The TT holster has a leather snap loop, which necessitates that the holster ride 3/4" above the belt to clear the snap. (I found that with my Side Guard holster for the TCP.) The other holster and the CCC one are just designed to be high riding. That may be necessary with a longer gun in order to prevent uncomfortable jaming against the leg when sitting. Maybe their designs are sturdy enough in the holster itself and the belt attachment to combat the belly push. I could wear it further to the side to avoid the belly push, but then it would definitely jam against my leg. I think I need a holster with a strong reverse cant. But these leather holsters are strait cant and cannot be adjusted. Questions, questions.

As you can see, my wheels are turning and I am still learning about making the AIWB carry work for more of my guns. Hopefully, we can all learn together in this thread. All intelligent additions to this conversation are welcome! But I don't want this thread to get into negative attitudes about safety and having a gun pointed at your junk. We are adults here, and we understand the risks and the need for extra precautions. This thread is for those who, having considered these things, is still interested in adopting this carry method and finding holsters that will work. So, positive, constructive posts, please.

[Bawanna]

Positive, constructive post? Where the heck am I and how did I get here?

[JFootin]

You know, the popular Bianchi 100 Professional Holster might work well to carry a larger gun AIWB. The large gun shield and rounded edges look like they would contribute to the comfort. They don't list the Walther PPQ or P99, but it is not a detail molded holster and the one that fits the Glock 19 (and a few other guns) would fit. Cops Plus has them for $39.99.

http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum9302.php



I wish it was available in black.

[Longitude Zero]

Leather...Yes

Kydex...NO

Serpa...OH HELLFIRE NO

[JFootin]

Desbien's Gunleather has a reversed cant AIWB holster that looks good.



AIWB #4 Hardcore Reverse Cant (R/C)
The AIWB #4 Hardcore R/C holster has been adopted by internationally known firearms instructor South Narc and his company Shiv Works as their official holster.

This holster is essentially the same as the IWB #4 Hardcore except that it is set at a reverse cant (muzzle forward) which places your hand and arm at the most optimal position for a fast draw from the holster whether you are standing, seated or lying on your back. We have also made the belt loop more stream line so as to make the holster more stream line (slimmer at the top where the loop attaches to the holster body). We are offering the AIWB #4 Hardcore R/C holster in a Low ride or high ride holster. We recommend the low ride for those who are not in the greatest of shape and high ride for those who have a flatter stomach. We also recommend that if you are small in stature (thin and narrow) and like to carry, for example a full size 1911 or Glock 17 then you would be better served ordering the AIWB #4 Hardcore which has a straight /neutral cant. The Reverse cant holster works great with the shorter length grips as the Glock 19 or the shorter grips found on several 1911′s. Compared to the AIWB #4 Hardcore holster the R/C holster is more comfortable to carry and sit with as the holster settles into the spot between your thigh and groin which makes easier to sit , squat , etc… Please indicate which ride height you want,(high ride or low ride) If you don’t we will automatically make you a low ride holster………For Semi-Autos only

Note: Due to the carry position and draw techniques associated with the AIWB #4 Hardcore R/C holster, it should only be used by trained and experienced shooters, and is not recommended for those new to concealed carry or firearms handling.~Price start at $115.00 ~ Cowhide only~

Edit: Wow! I am liking the looks of this holster! It is reverse canted and really looks like it could work for carrying my PPQ AIWB. I have 2 Kydex OWB holsters here and a leather IWB holster on the way to check out first. I'll probably have a couple of holsters to sell before this is over. Each of our bodies are different and a holster that doesn't work for me can work perfectly for someone else. We'll see.

[JFootin]

Positive, constructive post? Where the heck am I and how did I get here?

LOL! Wherever this is, you are welcome here!

Leather...Yes

Kydex...NO

Serpa...OH HELLFIRE NO

You are a very succinct fellow, LZ. I concur!

[muggsy]

Here is an opposing view to Apendix carry and food for thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGjfFrSsl_M

[Bawanna]

I carried cross draw for many years, it worked for me but also many of the pros and cons of Appendix carry applied. I sometimes carried clear over and beyond 9 oclock so it was extreme cross draw.

Many of the officers here have taken to wearing tactical type vest with all their stuff on the vest rather than a conventional belt. Ala Steven Seagal.

I don't like the looks and the image it portrays to the public but mostly I don't like it because it's like presenting a roll away tool box to anyone standing in front of them. Every thing on the vest is just as accessible to me as it is to the officer.

I think the bottom line is a person has to find what works best for them. I certainly would prefer appendix over pocket carry but I don't carry in either mode but I'm taking it all in anyhow.

[JFootin]

Here is an opposing view to Apendix carry and food for thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGjfFrSsl_M

Muggsy, what part of my post didn't you understand?

As you can see, my wheels are turning and I am still learning about making the AIWB carry work for more of my guns. Hopefully, we can all learn together in this thread. All intelligent additions to this conversation are welcome! But I don't want this thread to get into negative attitudes about safety and having a gun pointed at your junk. We are adults here, and we understand the risks and the need for extra precautions. This thread is for those who, having considered these things, is still interested in adopting this carry method and finding holsters that will work. So, positive, constructive posts, please.

[OldLincoln]

I sit a lot and even with fairly trim sides I have some belly flop. To draw appendix I'd have to rear back like a 3 o'clock position, and same with cross draw. That rules out both for me. In the service I had a time to carry a 38 snubby in a shoulder holster and would choose that if always wearing a sport coat or jacket, but I don't often enough to matter. I found my sweet spot for the G30 at 4:00 while the PM9 is 3:30. I can feel it it there when sitting but not nearly as much as my belly laying on top of either front side carry.

[Bawanna]

Muggsy, what part of my post didn't you understand?

While not positive, for my 2 cents I found Muggsy's attached video constructive and probably helpful for folks considering appendix carry which in and of itself is positive.

I found the attacks on the video and the authors responses very entertaining as well.

[Tinman507]

Positive, constructive post? Where the heck am I and how did I get in this handbasket?

Fixed it for ya

[Longitude Zero]

For MANY years the Illinois State Police carried their weapons in pure crossdraw positions. The sound reasoning was that they spent over 90% of their time seated in a car so what was the easiest arrangement for drawing a weapon while seated.

Each carry method has its adherants and detractors. Find what works for you and go with it.

[Bawanna]

Let us not jack this thread, it's one of very few serious ones we've had lately.

I'm serious and I mean it. :32:

[JFootin]

For MANY years the Illinois State Police carried their weapons in pure crossdraw positions. The sound reasoning was that they spent over 90% of their time seated in a car so what was the easiest arrangement for drawing a weapon while seated.

Yeah, that works for righties who are in the driver's seat because the shoulder harness is out of the way. It wouldn't work riding shotgun. I'm a lefty, so AIWB works for me when I'm driving, and it would work for a righty riding shotgun. Righties have an advantage when they are in the driver's seat in that they can more easily point their gun out the side window than a lefty can. So, the ideal partnership would be a righty and a lefty, and they could switch from AIWB to crossdraw depending on who is driving. The most ideal would be crossdraw with the righty driving because of the side window thing.....Oh, I just thought of something: when driving, I can stick my elbow and gun out the side window, aim and shoot forwards or sideways, and my righty partner can do the same from the passenger seat. Less damaging to the ears than firing a gun inside the car, IMO. But I might have to transfer the gun to my weak hand if a perp was there at the side window. Plusses and minuses for each hand.