Interested to hear about CT on PM9

[Mr. Happy]

If you have the Crimson Trace laser on the front of the PM9, please discuss the good, bad, and ugly for concealed carry. At personal defense distances, does a semi-auto benefit?

I have the CT grips on my snubby revolver because I may need to defend myself with the revolver held at waist level, due to injury or struggle. But a semi-auto would be limp-wristed in those positions and won't function anyway, right? In other words, doesn't a semi-auto need to be held firmly enough to point shoot at self defense distances (0 to 10 feet or so)?

So, does a laser earn its way (weight-wise) onto a pocket semi-auto pistol for personal defense?

Thanks for your help!

[jeepster09]

Well........my opinion is it defeats the SMALL size of a PM and makes the pistol less concealable. The Kahr's are made to be the smallest 9's [and 40's] made. I also feel at the distance this pistol is designed for "concealed carry", a lasor is not needed. For personal protection you normally are looking at the ten foot range, if you need a lasor at that range things are not looking good for you to be even carrying a gun. Also consider that if you shoot a bad guy much beyond that, the courts would frown at you and probably charge you for being the agressor and maybe let the poor sweet defensless bad guy go free.

[recoilguy]

I can not agree with the previous poster in any way. I have a Kahr and it is equiped with the CT laser. To assume it hinders concealablity is wrong. My gun conceals perfect and with no interferance from the laser what so ever. There are many holster mfgs. who build holsters specifically for this setup. I can shot this weapon very accurately without the laser and with it the bullet will hit the red dot at 6 yards.

If I were to use the laser at 10 feet because I needed it, say I was knocked over or poked in the eye or it was darker then my eyes can focus quickly in, I would be very happy I have it equiped on the gun. In that case "things would look very good for anyone who has it to be carrying a weapon". The laser is a tool that when used properly is very effective, when relied upon soley is then misused. I would not say it is a must or that everyone should have one but I would not be bold enough to imply anyone without one somehow is less capable or qualified to carry a weapon. I think it is effective and well worth it for me. I would suggest it but not consider it manditory.

RCG

[jeepster09]

Well I had one and found very LIMITED holster selection. I also feel the Crimson Trace is rather fragile. Every one has an opinion. I know I am happier without it. You may like it. Some people likes lots of chrome, some people only need function.
Heaven forbid if you ever by accident drop your gun, I think the Crimson would be a casuality.:75:

[recoilguy]

Point taken!!! I know what you mean......some people like function, some people have the dexterity to simultaiously do more then one thing effectively.

If the crimson did break I could still make a hole right were I want with my gun. You need to practice for every situation.

Like I said I suggest it, I don't hink anyone has to have it.

Want to get together and shot some time, I am in the cities about 3 times a month......

RCG

[jeepster09]

Instead of laser for close encounter carry gun.....carry this.

[rogerthedodger]

Well........my opinion is it defeats the SMALL size of a PM and makes the pistol less concealable. The Kahr's are made to be the smallest 9's [and 40's] made. I also feel at the distance this pistol is designed for "concealed carry", a lasor is not needed. For personal protection you normally are looking at the ten foot range, if you need a lasor at that range things are not looking good for you to be even carrying a gun. Also consider that if you shoot a bad guy much beyond that, the courts would frown at you and probably charge you for being the agressor and maybe let the poor sweet defensless bad guy go free.

One point to remember, not everyone has perfect vision. The CT Laserguard gives you another tool in the event your glasses are knocked off. People with less than perfect eyesite have trouble seeing the sight, or target, and wear bi-focals. The CT gives them the ability to place the gun on target.

[In-Yo-Grill]

Being familiar and accurate with the gun is first and foremost. There are enough holsters out there to choose and keep the PM9 concealed well. Like night sites I think it's important not to get dependent on the laser. I'm sure they can/have proved to be a useful tool in quick situations.

I've personally listened to stories where the laser alone was enough to ward off an attacker. That being the case it would be money well spent and the hassle of not having to make a statement to the 50.

[Smoke Eater]

CT

I have to agree with recoil and in-yo-grill, first and foremost is to be skilled and knowledgible of the firearm BUT there are situations that a CT would/could be very useful beside the fore mentioned eyesight and being knocked on your butt, what about in an automobile or just seated in general when you can't extend to a proper shooting position. The deterent factor is something to think about, SOME people are smart enough to stop what they are doing when the red dot appears on their chest!
As for concealing it the CT doesn't make much difference, I carry mine in my front pocket, there are plenty of great pocket holsters out there!

Bottom line is DO WHATS RIGHT AND COMFORTABLE FOR YOU!
Cheers,

[Bawanna]

Where ya been Smoke Eater, haven't been around for awhile. Glad your back.

[medezyner]

+2 for In-Yo-Grill. The deterent factor alone is worth the money, never mine what it will do for tied eyes. I cant speak for the CT on a PM9, but I put one on the kel-tec P3at and I couldnt believe the groups I was getting at 40'. That laser doubled the effective sight range. BTW, I unstitched the Desantis pocket holsetr and restiched to accomodate the CT and you cant tell the difference. Maybe the same can be done with the PM9 for pocket carry. I've been seriously considering the CT for my. PM9

[capriaz]

BTW, I unstitched the Desantis pocket holsetr and restiched to accomodate the CT and you cant tell the difference.

I did the same thing with a desantis superfly for my CW9 CT equipted. I also have been using the CT for dry fire practice getting used to the DAO trigger. I also found a Uncle Mike's inside the pant size 15 fits quite nice. It isn't the easiest for reholstering but it is very comfortable.

[SCUBASLOW]

Love my PM9 with the Laser sight LG-437. Basically, the gun is in one of three places, in my pants, in my car or on my night stand. I'm 65 and need reading galsses. Even with the night sight, would be hard pressed to shoot an intruder from the bed to the door without glasses. BUT, with the CTC the red dot is all I need. Hell, My wife can even do it.
Bought it for PP and every little bit helps.
Drop it, well at the price she would probably kick me in the a--.

[Mdubtech]

All I have to say is just buy them! No more fussing with lining up the sights. Many self defense and tactical advantages. Just look at the pics, they speak for themselves.

[BroncoAZ]

Like capriaz, I am interested in one for mastering the DAO trigger. I love the PM9 and shoot it well with the night sights, but firing on a snap cap with the laser to tell me how much I'm moving sounds like a good way to get better.