Does your Kahr CM9 have a crappy trigger?

[yqtszhj]

My kahr cm9 trigger was never crappy. I have polished all the internals on mine and while it is a little smoother it was never bad. I did the same thing on my cw45 and cm45.

[Bawanna]

Not a test Bawanna. Just a respectful observation of anothers observation.

You are fine and correct and not the target of my question. All is well. At least so so and mostly only cause it's Friday.

[muggsy]

Thors hammer strikes again. Take your meds.

You did see the smiley face didn't you?

[Bawanna]

I did but some probably may not understand the significance but no matter.

It's all fine and dandy. We don't need to start seeing other people or anything.

[Kahrmine]

I took it to the range and it's a good shooter now. Still not as good as my PM40 trigger was, but it's accurate now.

[muggsy]

Persistance pays off, Kahrmine. I hope that you weren't offended by my comment. The smiley face indicated that I was only kidding. The problem with the written word is that there isn't any voice inflection in the comment. It wasn't my intention to be hurtful.

[DJK11]

kahrmine, all four of my Premium Model Kahrs have the same warts as yours. They are just not as pronounced and don't cause a problem. It may be you have out of spec parts.

[Kahrmine]

Persistance pays off, Kahrmine. I hope that you weren't offended by my comment. The smiley face indicated that I was only kidding. The problem with the written word is that there isn't any voice inflection in the comment. It wasn't my intention to be hurtful.

Well, I'm a Christian so I totally forgive you. Also, know that I did not report you. I'm not easily offended.

[Kahrmine]

kahrmine, all four of my Premium Model Kahrs have the same warts as yours. They are just not as pronounced and don't cause a problem. It may be you have out of spec parts.

I see what you did there. Are you suggesting I bought the Crappy Model Kahr?

[Alfonse]

Now, that's funny!

On the topic of the thread, it looks like one of those parts is the striker block. Does anything slide on where you removed the gate? If it is what I'm thinking, I don't think anything rides on that surface. Something must ride on some of the places you worked, or it wouldn't have improved anything.

It would be sort of silly to put a gate (or sprue) on a sliding surface so my little mind had to wonder of those surfaces were actually part of the trigger action, or not. I assumed you polished up everything while you were in there, so that could have fixed it up.

[Kahrmine]

Yes, exactly where you see that big old wart is where the striker slides on. The striker and block meet right at that spot as that's where the striker slides along.

[muggsy]

Well, I'm a Christian so I totally forgive you. Also, know that I did not report you. I'm not easily offended.

Hell, Karhmine, I've been thrown out of better places than this and for a lot worse reasons. I wouldn't join most organizations that would have a guy like me as a member. Nothing offends me except for a newbie who bad mouths Kahr pistols or Kahr service. It ain't good manners. Question, yes. Condemn, no effin way. I'd defend you just as strongly.

[Bills1873]

I must be a lucky buckaroo! My CM45 trigger is better to me than my PM9 trigger, lets off a tad earlier and is just as smooth. I have had NO issues with these 2 little gems out of the box!

[CJB]

The moral of the story is, if you want a PM9 trigger, you have to pay for a PM9. If you want to do the work yourself, and I'm not so sure it's worth it, you can buy the CM9 and do the sanding and buffing yourself.

Don't let anyone tell you the PM and CM series are essentially the same. The CM9 comes complete with warts and all.

I strongly disagree. The bottom ends, frame and internals of the PM/CM are EXACTLY the same. EXACTLY. I have examined them, I have handled them, I have shot them, I have cleaned them. They are EXACTLY the same. EXACTLY.

Yet, one finds nicer and less nice examples of each "out there" in the gun shops across the land. Happens. Kahr does not "select" the better ones to fill the role of CM's at a lower price point.

One more thing - the MIM vs "machined" slide stop. You have to realize that the LEVERS of each are MIM. Yes. Examine the lever of any PM/P/TP and you'll see that it is. There are ridges and texturing that are nonly possible with the MIM process. Its the "pin" of the slide stop that is difference. The PM has a ground pin, and its added and held in place by a tiny blind pin. The CM has slide stop that is made all in one piece with its pin as one complete unit. No big deal really. Colt and others have used MIM parts for slide stops, safeties, other parts, for decades.

Sorry you needed to smooth things out, but the internals are EXACTLY the same. The striker, the cam, the trigger itself, the striker safety, the little metal striker spring seat, they're all the same. There are good ones, rough ones...

MIM parts are actually better than investment cast parts when the parts are small, and where a high degree of surface detail is needed. Usually, the molds are created to make any parting line creases easily finished off. And, MIM parts are sometimes further machined where high precision is needed - like the hole for the ground hard pin that Kahr uses for its P series slide stops. That hole is held to high precision and is (probably) reamed to size, and the cross pin hole is (probably) drlled after molding.

MIM bashing is really unfounded, as also is IC bashing. The latter was a BIG deal in various gun writing communities back in the days when Ruger pioneered the process for gun parts. And, they had to go back and "explain" the advantages of IC parts when Ruger was proven correct in their use of IC parts, which appreciably allowed both lower prices Ruger guns, and increased profits for Ruger the company.

The biggest obstacle to a smooth Kahr trigger has been two-fold for me. One is simple wear in of the cam to striker. The other is the leg of the cam that raises the striker safety, which can often be too long and present some problems. One requires some shooting to cure, the other needs to have Mr. Dremel or Mr. Fordham visit and apply a very slight tweak to the length of the cam's surface (easy, quick, painless).

And as a final note - my friend "D" (sorry can't mention the name) had a PM9 and hated the trigger. Just hated it. In fact, it was terrible. He sold it before I could convince him to let me buy him a beer while I fixed the trigger.... ended up getting a CM9 that is slick as can be! My recent PM9, that replaced the stolen J version... had a pediculous trigger too. Applied the correct fixes... smooth. And its slide stop lever was loose on the pin. Not just that pin spun in the hoie (most do that), but the pin would tilt all over the place. Cured with the help of my big 150lb vice holding the lever while I whacked the front of the lever with a 3lb hammer a few times. First I ever saw that tilted so bad. Happens I guess. Thats from the 5 Kahrs I've owned (or still own, counting the stolen one).

[CJB]

Sorry folks, I'm calling BS on this.

First - both strikers handy to me measured .3285 inches. The spacers on each (not where the sprue point) measured .327, and .3285 at the sprue. However, the channel meaures .341 on one slide, and .3415 on the other. Hard to meaure with small hole gauges, as its all feel, but I'm not off by more than half a thou. I know how to meaure, used Mitutoyo small hole gauges and a nice Mitutoyo micrometer.

That's leaving "wiggle room" of .0135 or damn neaer 1/64th inch. It does not interfere with the striker's withdrawal in the chanel during trigger movement.

Second - on the striker block, that portion of the block clears the striker by design, and there is a decent amount of clearance when you look at it in bright light. It does not even meet the wall edge of the channel, which is already clearing the striker, since the striker is smaller than the channel. Could be, as things turn out, the striker is rubbing on that side of the channel, but there's still clearance. You'd need a really really big sprue point to make some friction there.

I believe the OP has a mental disorder, known as imperfectionosis, whereby any imperfection that is perceivabe is paramount to Biblical plague, certainly the cause of all evil, and doer of no good.

Parts on both series are the same, finished the same. The sprue points are non interfering. Sorry. What you have spotted is a non issue.