Does your Kahr CM9 have a crappy trigger?

[Alfonse]

Second - on the striker block, that portion of the block clears the striker by design, and there is a decent amount of clearance when you look at it in bright light. It does not even meet the wall edge of the channel, which is already clearing the striker, since the striker is smaller than the channel. Could be, as things turn out, the striker is rubbing on that side of the channel, but there's still clearance. You'd need a really really big sprue point to make some friction there.

This was my observation of the striker block as well. There is no contact at the point the OP is concerned about. I'm not sure what the first part is, maybe the striker spacer?

[CJB]

Yes its the spacer. Potentially a huge nub of a sprue could rub, but really, you'd have to damn near force the striker/spacer assembly into the channel to realize that. The ones I measured were "ok well finished" parts. Not perfect but 100 percent serviceable. If "perfect" they would have been a c.hair smaller than the striker. As it was, they were still well within any point of rubbing on things.

[Kahrmine]

You haven't handled my pistol, CJB, so you really have no basis for what you're suggesting. And I don't argue with people on the internet, though, so this will be my last comment.

My pistol now shoots properly after sanding and buffing those warts out, it's just that simple.

[CJB]

I ought to add..... I'm not out to besmurch the OP in any real way, except point that his observations are incorrect.

Why?

Because the Kahr design is an exceptionally elegant one. Elegant in the engineering design sense is one that utilizes few parts, well executed, gets the job done in an efficient and robust way, while also covering all contingencies. The Ruger Redhawk is another fairly elegant modern design.

There's something in me that say... wait... this is Kahr. Sure they f.up at times, but ya know, the design is a very sound one. The design is executed exceptionally well. I'd rather not have folks, casual readers, think something is true because somebody said it is. After I saw the post, I got thinking.... curiosity kicked in, so I had to take apart my PM45 and PM9 that I have here at the ready, and see just what was what. Supposition is corrected with measurement. And through measurement, clearer understanding, depth of detail, and correctness is ascertained. I'm sure the esteemed Hon. Muggsy would agree on that point too.

[CJB]

You haven't handled my pistol, CJB, so you really have no basis for what you're suggesting. And I don't argue with people on the internet, though, so this will be my last comment.

My pistol now shoots properly after sanding and buffing those warts out, it's just that simple.

True, I have not handled YOUR pistol, but your comment was that ALL of the CM's were inferior. You have miscategorized an entire line of product, and owe Kahr an apology for the same in my way of thinking.

The fact is, it would be a real stretch for the parts you showed to present problems.
The fact is, it would be a snowballs chance in hell to get two parts that both presented problems.
The fact is, the CM's are not different than the PM's in all regards, except for those noted here, and on Kahr's website.

Yes, bad examples happen.

"If you want a PM9 trigger you have to pay for a PM9" is a total and complete BS line from you, sir. I will not, never have, and never will, stand for someone coming here and bashing somethign that does not deserve bashing!

And one more thing, that I should have commented on before.... you once stated that changing a spring reduced muzzle dive, in a way that sort of implied that the pistol was at fault. No. Its your index finger thats at fault, sir. Please, please do not put blame where it is not warranted.

[berettabone]

Action hindering warts????????????? Muzzle dive???????????? I knew there was a reason I was shooting low left for a while, till I got used to things

[Bills1873]

CJB: I concur. I've been in machinery repair and failure analysis for over 35 years, so my training and experience demands that I notice subtle differences in machinery components. I have a CM45 and a PM9. I can dissassemble, flip the slide, look in the frame, and both guns are constructed and machined/finished the same, with the same components. Kahr would have no reason to misrepresent on that front.

[addictedhealer]

I have fully stripped my cw9 and haven't noticed anything like that., I also did a full polish job on all moving parts.

What I have noticed though my buddy has same gun both of us have the 5lb striker spring installed. Mine has a much smoother trigger but his feels lighter. Roughly same round count. It annoys me because I like how light his is.

[jocko]

True, I have not handled YOUR pistol, but your comment was that ALL of the CM's were inferior. You have miscategorized an entire line of product, and owe Kahr an apology for the same in my way of thinking.

The fact is, it would be a real stretch for the parts you showed to present problems.
The fact is, it would be a snowballs chance in hell to get two parts that both presented problems.
The fact is, the CM's are not different than the PM's in all regards, except for those noted here, and on Kahr's website.

Yes, bad examples happen.

"If you want a PM9 trigger you have to pay for a PM9" is a total and complete BS line from you, sir. I will not, never have, and never will, stand for someone coming here and bashing somethign that does not deserve bashing!

And one more thing, that I should have commented on before.... you once stated that changing a spring reduced muzzle dive, in a way that sort of implied that the pistol was at fault. No. Its your index finger thats at fault, sir. Please, please do not put blame where it is not warranted.

Kahrmine, u must have had a reall sh!t kahr ouyt of the box which is very rare indeed. I have to agree with CJB on his points. The PM9 trigger is the same as the cm9 trigger, Parts come out of the same bin, kahr doesnt cut any corners on that stuff. Wehave seen trigger bars with a slight hitch when pulling it but when a poster comes here he is guided to that little springhy which rides uder that spring and to grease it and then shoot it and it wil smooth itself out, without total tear down. glad u got ur warts out of the way and the gun is doing asu say. the part that matter is if it works for u. I certainly never recommend any owner to completely tear down the trigger area of a kahr, fokk up the frame and ur outta luck. . But again some are moe gifted in doinbg these things, so each to his own. IMO utting beats shooting the gun and let the gun reak/smooth itself it. U can polish a wart I guess ...

[jocko]

I have fully stripped my cw9 and haven't noticed anything like that., I also did a full polish job on all moving parts.

What I have noticed though my buddy has same gun both of us have the 5lb striker spring installed. Mine has a much smoother trigger but his feels lighter. Roughly same round count. It annoys me because I like how light his is.

try anuuter 5# striker, they are not all the same, They will very..

[jocko]

I have fully stripped my cw9 and haven't noticed anything like that., I also did a full polish job on all moving parts.

What I have noticed though my buddy has same gun both of us have the 5lb striker spring installed. Mine has a much smoother trigger but his feels lighter. Roughly same round count. It annoys me because I like how light his is.

two things can make that feel different. 1 that 5# striker spring can very to, and the coil trigger sprng certainly can very. combination of both will give u a different feel over ur buddy's.

[CJB]

Like J'man sez... nothin' beats shootin' it, until it smooths out. Doesn't take much of it.

And.... for the OP and everyone... I used to be the "shoot cheap stuff to break it in" guy. No more. I want full house ammo, the hottest stuff I can find. I want to stress the pistol (or rifle, or shotgun) and the hot ammo is the way to do it. The springs will love you for it. The rough spots will love you for it. The lady who sold you the ammo will love you for it, but it won't do you no good with her. She's spoken for.

And thats that!~

[Kahrmine]

Ok, I will concede I may have gotten a lemon, but only because Jocko chimed in.

One thing was that when I talked about this trigger, everyone said that the way it felt and was shooting was "typical." Really, I bought the gun knowing how awesome my PM trigger was. I dry fired it a ton and gave it the Jocko treatment, but when I got to the range it was obviously not right.

It's shooting straight now, so I can't complain.

[b4uqzme]

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It's shooting straight now, so I can't complain.

Works for me. Good thread.

[addictedhealer]

two things can make that feel different. 1 that 5# striker spring can very to, and the coil trigger sprng certainly can very. combination of both will give u a different feel over ur buddy's.

Thanks Jocko, you are correct. It was the trigger spring, mild adjustment now it's perfecto.