Chambering the first round, a slingshot modification

[wyntrout]

I have on occasion had a failure to feed from slide lock release. A sharply released fully-to-the-rear rack works every time. It's all in the release... not riding it or letting your hold drag along with the slide at all. You can make that fail with limp-wristing, though.

No movie racks... barely-clearing-the-rear-of-the-top-cartridge minimum racks. That MIGHT work on well broken in guns, but don't be timid with racking the first round!

Wynn

[jocko]

One thing about using the slide release lever is that it release every time with the same velocity. Hand racking can vary, do it right and ur good to go, do it wrong and u have a ftf. It is all about consistency. I IMO feel kahrs are the hardest guns to hand rack perfectly.than any semi I have ever owned. Might just be me to.

[Thunder71]

No, they are finicky for sure... my XDM is a piece of cake, as is the P-01, P22 and Neos. The LCP was about the only gun that was close to the Kahr, but even that one would handle a hand rack.

[jocko]

yup my lcp and kel tek were that way but I attrribute thatto the over small size and just not much to get a hand around. Still easier than a kahr amd my P380 kahr was a real bit-h at first, I had to use the slide release lever for a long time before the gun and i finally mated up, but if I sneeze while hand racking my P380 it will ftf every time. I have to really be aware of my P380 when hand racking it, doesn't do to bad with fmj ammo but hp ammo I have to be on top of it. I carry it loaded all the time and at home so screw the messing up part..

[gb6491]

Thanks to all for their input. Some interesting thoughts have been posted and that's always a good thing.
Myself, I'm still of the same belief that I expressed earlier in this thread. I've also a thought in the back of my mind that some Kahr models may be over sprung; perhaps not in weight, but in spring length. I haven't really followed up on this with any testing, because, to tell the truth, all my Kahrs are running fine. As a little update to the mod that is the subject of this thread, here's a quick video I did today of my CW9 chambering a few different hollow points from magazines with the modified follower:
View My Video
FWIW, I have not experienced a "lost round" from any of these modified magazines (in the pocket or in a pouch).
Regards,
Greg

[OldLincoln]

Now that is very convincing Greg! I haven't messed with mine cause "they ain't broke" but neither can I chamber a round slow like that. I may have to take another look and perhaps do 1 mag and see what happens.

The mags look full, were they? Were you pulling the slide forward or just releasing it?

[gb6491]

Now that is very convincing Greg! I haven't messed with mine cause "they ain't broke" but neither can I chamber a round slow like that. I may have to take another look and perhaps do 1 mag and see what happens.

The mags look full, were they? Were you pulling the slide forward or just releasing it?

All the mags were full. I was riding the slide as it went forward to slow it down, but the spring was doing all the work. There was a certain hollow point ( the low recoil, 135 Grain Hydra-Shok) that would occasionally need a helping hand forward if cycling the first round out this slowly, but they never bobbled if you just worked the slide or when firing them.
Thanks for asking
Regards,
Greg

[knkali]

wow like butter. My P40 needs much more violence to it when hand racking. I got to re read this thread. Nice Job professor!(as always)

[gb6491]

wow like butter. My P40 needs much more violence to it when hand racking. I got to re read this thread. Nice Job professor!(as always)

Thank you kindly
Regards,
Greg

[gb6491]

Brent reports that his version of this modification helps with second round nose dives. See his mod thread (with excellent photos) here:
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9269
Regards,
Greg

[jaydee]

Both are great threads, but Greg, isn't Brent doing the same thing you did?
Is there a difference?
JD

[gb6491]

Both are great threads, but Greg, isn't Brent doing the same thing you did?
Is there a difference?
JD

JD,
I believe you are correct; pretty much the same thing with a slight variance in how the sanding is done (BEARDOG has a post in this thread where he sanded the follower much the same as Brent does). I think Brent's thread is excellent and wanted to include a link to it in this sticky.
Regards,
Greg

[deanp1964]

thanks Greg - my PM9 mags may benefit from this mod

[TennSCN]

Funny you should mention that post, I actually read to the end here hoping to see a follow up from BEARDOG on the results of his work. Further extending the supporting length of the follower and fitting the follower edges to the feed lips seems to be a natural evolution of the idea.

GB, you have initiated a great deal of cranial activity here and I, as a noob,to this forum, appreciate your inventiveness. Reading through the threads, I saw comments on the smoothness of the sanded follower. My thoughts would be 1000+ grit Emory or possibly 'flame smoothing' as we do with rigid foams.

I suppose I should order a few followers and see what can be done...

[OldLincoln]

Good post TennSCN and welcome to the forum!