Magazine bullet nose dive

[MLESa7990]

mine do the same thing. I haven't sanded anything and have not had a single issue with 6 round magazines in over 300 rounds. In fact I only had 2 ftf's with my seven round mags even

[Brent]

The mag for my CM9 is doing just that showed in the pictures. When loading the mag, on the 5th and 6th round it starts to have a huge gap between the previous round! Do I really have to sand down my mag or can I get Kahr to send me a replacement?

The replacement would be the same. IMO, if you're not having any nose dive problems then don't mess with it. If you are, then the mod could help.

[Cokeman]

Which mags have the angled follower?

[claycooper]

After reading this and Greg's thread I decided to take an extra 9mm Kahr follower I had and sand it at an angle to raise the nose of the bottom round so as eliminate or reduce as much a possible the "fanning" effect inside the mag tube. I took it down nearly to the line/seam on the back of the follower which is visible in the first pic.

After doing this, you can hand rack the slide as slow as you like and because of the modified follower which changes the angle/orientation of the rounds in the mag, the first round is prevented from nose diving and will come off the mag lips and enter the ramp/barrel smoothly. This worked for me with a CM9.

Results may vary. FWIW no animals were harmed during this mod.

Jimsea - I just tried sanding down my follower at a sharp angle like yours and now I can rack it as slow as I want to by hand and it feeds perfectly every time. Bravo!

[Brent]

Jimsea - I just tried sanding down my follower at a sharp angle like yours and now I can rack it as slow as I want to by hand and it feeds perfectly every time. Bravo!

Is yours a 9mm Clay? I didn't need to remove as much on my 40 to get the same results. Just wondering what the difference is??? Thanks!

[jocko]

thats why we casll Gregg GB6491 or forum genius

[flccw45]

What, no comment from jocko on this? He's probably busy sanding his magazines.

[jocko]

personally

mine do the same thing. I haven't sanded anything and have not had a single issue with 6 round magazines in over 300 rounds. In fact I only had 2 ftf's with my seven round mags even

IMO if IS NOT BROKE CERTAINLY DON'T FIX IT. No mods are necessary if all is working as it should. If ur getting perfect feeding and for some reason u don't like the way that top round looks in the magazine, then one travels (mods) at his own risk. Alot of these fixes on this forum are for people who have distinct issues,, at least from my point of view. Not all mods will work in every gun

If u have issues, readof some of the stated possaqble fixes, Then IMO read um again before doing anything. Follower mods are a no brainer IMO, for at best u can suceed in what your wanting to do, at the worst you have only ruined a $5 follower which is totally replaceable. When u start fokking with the internals of a kahr, then u are entering kahrs warranty territory, TREAD LIGHTLY.

[Pogi]

Hi everybody!

gb6491: Lookin at your pics, if I'm not wrong your mod is a second mod, the first will be the Chambering the first round, slingshot mod. I saw your YouTube video, so in that video which mod or mods are you relating to?

Nice vid!

Peter

[Krusty]

Thanks for the wonderful graphics, very useful!

[gb6491]

Hi everybody!

gb6491: Lookin at your pics, if I'm not wrong your mod is a second mod, the first will be the Chambering the first round, slingshot mod. I saw your YouTube video, so in that video which mod or mods are you relating to?

Nice vid!

Peter

Peter,
Thanks! My videos about modified CW9 followers pertain to this thread:
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=6943. Brent's mod is quite similar to what I did, so the videos would apply here in this thread as well. Hope that helps.
Regards,
Greg

[Pogi]

Hi Jimsea! Looking at this image, it seems like there are TWO MODIFICATIONS involved here.
The FIRST one being the slingshot mod by Greg AKA gb6491, note mark "B"

Mod 2 = mark "A"


Here are other images of mod 1 as they appear under the slingshot thread




The SECOND mod will have to be the nosedive mod which is the subject of post #26. Here is another image if it might help.




Are my observations correct?


I feel we need to get more feedback on this second mod. My PM9 is not with me as I am working overseas, but I am decided to do the slingshot mod when I get hold of my PM9. I'd like to incorporate the second mode too and would be glad to see more validation.


Peter


P.S. I'm sure you guys concerned do not mind my hijacking of your images, right?

[Pogi]

0oops!

Sorry guys, I think I messed up. Please note that on my post before this I was refering to PM9. Just now I noticed that this thread started by Brent is about P40.

I think its the case of apples and oranges again, so my earlier post ought to be considered irrelevant.

Peter

[JFootin]

0oops!

Sorry guys, I think I messed up. Please note that on my post before this I was refering to PM9. Just now I noticed that this thread started by Brent is about P40.

I think its the case of apples and oranges again, so my earlier post ought to be considered irrelevant.

Peter

Welcome newby! You can Edit and choose to Delete both posts if you want to.

[TennSCN]

Pogi is correct; the follower shown in post #26 by Jimsea IS taking an additional step. He has cut the rear portion of the follower further down to allow the stack of 9mm a bit more room at the rear of the magazine. I saw this discussion a while back in a "9mm fanning" subject elsewhere on this forum. Jimsea's intent, as I see it, is to keep the noses up as the rounds feed. The theory seems to concern reducing the gap between the top and next round so the lower round further supports the feeding round as it ramps and chambers. The shaving he has done to the follower has certainly reduced that gap (see Post #26, 3rd pic) further than Brent or gb6491 (Greg's) work.

Although this may be most applicable to the 9mm because of the greater case taper (where 40s&w and 45acp cases are much less) I see the condition occur in all caliber magazines and hear of diving rounds in all calibers, so there may be something to learn here. Jimsea has taken the follower mod to a 'deeper' level and though more extreme than I would go, may prove to show the limits of this envelope.

Jimsea, I will be interested to hear how that follower holds up over some time. You have taken considerable 'stock' out of the part and my concern would be how much longevity has been removed. Would you mind keeping us posted regarding round counts or any problems with that follower? Pogi, same for you if you make the same deep cut when you get back stateside.