New MagGuts +1 mag addition for Kahr 380 pistols

[b4uqzme]

... It runs great now...

Funny how that happens.

[erichard]

I would encourage someone looking at the MagGuts to break in their pistol first. Make sure it is running flawlessly and then convert your mags with MagGuts. That way if there is a problem you will know for sure it is the MagGuts. I put my MagGuts in after 400 rounds. I have now fired 1,436 rounds through my CW380 without a problem from the MagGuts converted magazines. I really like their product.

I think this is correct. Too many variables and problems in the first 200 rounds to then complicate the issue with Magguts. That said, I do however think that Magguts are unlikely to be the issue if one is experiencing problems, just based on their track record. Perhaps on the top 1 or 2 rounds of the magazine the Magguts locks them in more tightly, which may magnify feeds issues you already have, like nosedives, etc. for those top two rounds. I did find that the top two rounds are the problem ones with or without Magguts initially, so maybe hold off on Magguts till the gun is working 99%.

[SlowBurn]

Update- have them in 2 mags for several months now with no issues other than disassembling and reassembling to clean is more of a chore. Worth it for the extra round in the flush mag.

[Alfonse]

Update- have them in 2 mags for several months now with no issues other than disassembling and reassembling to clean is more of a chore.

There are just more pieces that need to get put in the right place is I think most of the additional work. Getting the bottom plate off isn't an issue once a proper thing to push the retainer down with is identified. I don't know how many times I would have to assemble them before I would be sure I had it right without a diagram.

[Bobshouse]

Hey guys and gals, howabout a couple more updates on the Magguts? I've been checking out the Maggut site lately and noticed there is no feedback on that youtube video after almost 3800 views and thought that strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBLWcbsWKE

They are kinda expensive for only one more round, but when needed, that one extra trigger pull beats a mag change.

[Alfonse]

Hey guys and gals, howabout a couple more updates on the Magguts? I've been checking out the Maggut site lately and noticed there is no feedback on that youtube video after almost 3800 views and thought that strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBLWcbsWKE

They are kinda expensive for only one more round, but when needed, that one extra trigger pull beats a mag change.

They are working fine in 2 magazines for me. I don't think they improve the feeding, but they don't make it worse. The followers are not anti-tilt but seem to work as well as the standard Kahr follower. I like having the extra round and it is worth the extra bit of complexity for me. I haven't been leaving them loaded since I don't carry my CW380 much, so I am not a good indicator of mag spring life. I have put a few rounds through them though, probably 400 through each magazine (I have 2 with Magguts).

[dsk]

Hey guys and gals, howabout a couple more updates on the Magguts? I've been checking out the Maggut site lately and noticed there is no feedback on that youtube video after almost 3800 views and thought that strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBLWcbsWKE

They are kinda expensive for only one more round, but when needed, that one extra trigger pull beats a mag change.

I put them in two mags and the FTF issues I had disappeared. I now have them in all five of my mags, including an extended mag which gives me 8+1. Yes they are expensive, but I switched over to them exclusively simply because I lost confidence in the OEM Kahr follower design.

[SlowBurn]

Update- have them in 2 mags for several months now with no issues other than disassembling and reassembling to clean is more of a chore. Worth it for the extra round in the flush mag.

Mine are still working fine. 0 issues

[Shoop]

My CW380 feeds better with the Mag Guts, no question. Slingshotting the first round is easy and flat nose ammo runs where it wouldn't before.

[dsk]

With the unmodified Kahr mags, besides their crappy followers I also learned that the springs don't last worth a damn. I left one mag loaded for a month, and after I used it the slide would no longer lock back when empty, not even when working the pistol by hand. The mag spring had collapsed a noticeable amount versus the other mags I have. As a test I loaded my second one and left it that way for a month, and when I tried it I had the exact same problem and was left with just one mag that still locked the slide open. I've left the MagGuts-converted mags loaded for a couple months at a time and they're still working properly.

[Bobshouse]

Seems like the magguts along with Lakeline's redesigned striker makes the firearm really reliable. I find that I can also hand rack the slide now with no jambs or miss feeds. Fired about 50 rounds through the two that I purchased. Really happy with my p380 now, a really small firearm with 8 round capability, nice!

[XCO]

Here's my experience with magguts. My P380 had been running fine for a while now - occasional RTB issue, but few and far between. Figured I'd try a magguts to up the count in the mag. Once I put it in, I experienced one totally jammed up gun nose dive, consistent FTRB, and light strikes. I figured I must have done something wrong, but did check the alignment of the springs and spacers multiple times before installing it. I contacted magguts and sent them pictures of how I had put it together and they said it was correct. They sent me a new one, got it yesterday but haven't had a chance to shoot with it yet. It does look and fit the same.

Went to the range Sunday, old magguts in gun. What was very consistent was that when there was one round left in the mag, the chambered round would be a light strike - every time. If I dropped the mag when I had a light strike, the remaining round would be pushed a little forward in the mag, not flush against the back of the mag - but, I think this is normal. The spring set in the magguts is very tight and I think that the pressure of the magguts spring with the last round being a little out of the mag is making it rub against the round stripper and push the slide up a bit causing the striker not to go back far enough to fully compress the striker spring, thus the light strike.

Anyone else had this problem since installing magguts? I'll be trying the new magguts this weekend but not holding out much hope.

First time out I was using strictly Sig ammo. This past Sunday, I shot Sig, Federal, Blazer, and Remington just to rule out ammo. All had same issue.

Oh, and I've read about the Lakeland striker and light strikes - how does that help - it doesn't look like the striker ever drags on the round (does it?).

[dsk]

I've got nothing but MagGuts kits in my mags now, and they eliminated the feeding issues I sometimes had. I still get the occasional light strike, even with the new Lakeline striker, but it only happens once the gun starts getting dirty so I suspect a tight chamber. Every time I've gone to the range my pistol has run perfectly for the first 50 rounds, but not afterwards. I guess as long as I don't shoot any more than that in a gunfight I'm okay.

[Alfonse]

Oh, and I've read about the Lakeland striker and light strikes - how does that help - it doesn't look like the striker ever drags on the round (does it?).

The striker doesn't drag on the round. In some pistols, the "foot" of the striker (the part that hangs down into the slide) can contact the round below the round in the chamber when it is fired. That pushes the round forward in the mag and takes some energy from the striker.

[SmokyT]

XCO
As Alfonse mentioned, that is not really a magazine issue, but Kahr's striker foot is hitting the the rim of the last/top round in the magazine when the striker is released, which prevents the firing pin from hitting the rimer of the round in the chamber with a sufficient force. The issue you are experiencing has been discussed in this thread: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...ng-issue/page6

As I stated in that thread, I have fixed this problem wth my P380 (and PM9) by lightly filing the striker foot, so it will not contact the rim of the last/top round in the magazine. I have not had any FTFire/light strike since then with Magguts coversions or stock magazines.