CW380 Range Day

[Byzantine]

A range owner recommended that I stop shooting Win 95g in mine (I had the same issues, failures to feed) and start using 100g +P Will the CW handle 100g +P ammo? I have put close to 400 rounds through this handgun thus far

[KahrArmed]

My understanding is that +P can damage the gun over time, it's rated for it, but the hot loads do damage and shouldn't be your plinking ammo.

[jocko]

HAD U FOLLOWED THE PROPPER PREPPING OF UR KIAHR LISTED ON THIS FORUM, U WOULD HAVE DONE ALL THAT KAHR DID AND SOLVED UR OWN ISSUES. ASSUME NUTTING IS PERFECT. GO THRU UR NEW WEAPON, clean crude where it is not supposed to be. resmooth what looks smooth, make that first range trip a success.

Kahrs are +P rates, so if u can afford to shoot +p AMMO FOR RANGE fodder (which never made any fokking sense to me) the shoot um, as ur not gonna harm ur kahr what so ever. Theyt are built for it and will take far more of a beatig than ur hands will at a range shoot with +P ammo. Pretty damn expensive to be puncyhbg holes in papers. Find a good defene round beit +P or not and then just stick with it, and once a monthg clear yolur carry magazine of those rounds downrange and start anew.

[jocko]

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thats two nice photos, IMO just pass on that round on the left as IMO there is just not enogh clearance withthe slide lock release button and what ur seeing with the slide off is not what is gonna really happen when the big bang thing happens. Why push the envelope, some of these ammo rounds just don't do well in kthese smallass guns, so blame the ammo maker as much as the gun maker. the magazie o te right looks great, plenty of clearance. Try corbon pwoerball ammo. Its hot andit feeds like a round nose round and it will certainly be lreliable the best fokking round made isnot worhty jack sh!t if ur gun is not totally reliable with it, so fer not, find a good round and stick with it.Its notgonna be the round as much as shot placement if u need it. that round on the left scares me, just sayin

My first kahr 380 would not feed 102 grain golden sabres, so I just change dto a round that did and stuck with it, not rocket science, u know.

[KahrArmed]

Actually, the round on the left is the same round is the one on the right. I pushed it down so that you could see actual clearance because of the angle it wasn't apparent. But you are right about what happens during firing.

[jocko]

Okay, so I talked to Kahr support today, and described what was happening. He gave me several suggestions. The feed ramp was not one of them.
1. Limp wrist. (possibly, I'll have to keep an eye on that)
2. Thumb touching the slide lock when firing. (Possibility, checked without firing and thumbs don't seem to rest there, but will keep an eye on it)
3. Bent slidestop spring. (according to him not likely because it would happen more often, it only happened 4 times with 50 rounds)
4. Finally he suggested removing the slide, placing the sidestop in place, and looking to see if the rounds were touching it. I have done that and son't see that they are even if I try and push them towards it as I also push them up and down in the mag.

My conclusion: This is not a failure to feed issue, it is a slide lock issue. He told me those were the only things that could cause the issue of having the slide lock back prematurely.

Fix: Wrist exercises (Maybe I haven't been getting enough alone time. LOL), cut off my thumbs (making even holding the gun a challenge), Keep an eye on the spring to make suer it doesn't appear bent (it doesn't , and the slide stop fits in place nicely right under the pin).

I will upload some photos of the slide stop and rounds in the mag in a separate post.

Any further thoughts?

premature side lock can be numerous things.

1. the ol thump thing, try shooting it left handed and see if u can duplicate it, if so, then it aint te thumb.
2. rounds hitting on the inside of the slide lock lever . That little nub might be needed of some TLC filing if ur gonna shoot 100 grin ammo.
3. that little curly spring on the side by the slidelock lever could be bent or out of adjustment, but this should duplicate often to. in the poropper preppig thread it addresses this and how to check for it.

One of those 3 is the culprit but my bet is on the thumb more than anything. that little gu jumps like a bastard when the bang thing happens and the thumb jumps right along with it, u don't see it as it happens before u even know it happened. changed ur grip style to eliminate this possability. Some peoples hands are just bigger thn these little guns can accomadte so adjustments can be made....

[KahrArmed]

Okay, I have another range report. I just fired 50 rounds of HPR FMJ's. These rounds come in about one half of 1 mm shorter than the Blazer Brass. I continued to have premature lock back and had a range master watch me firing this time. My thumbs did not touch the slide lock and I I was not limp wristing it. On a sidenote, I also fired the H PR XTP's. They were a complete failure and all of them failed to feed. Immediately after firing at the range I stopped in and showed the gun to a gunsmith. He was not able to find any issues with the slide lock spring, or the bullets potentially hitting the slide lock. He suggested sending it back to Kahr. I spoke with Kahr over the phone and I will be sending it back to them ASAP. The guy that I spoke to was an incredibly helpful, I was a little bit unsure about how I needed to pack the firearm in order to ship it and he was very forthcoming on giving any advice. Hey give me a confirmation number and told me to ship it either FedEx or UPS. I wish that he had offered to send me a shipping label like others have said they have done. Unfortunately, today is the day that the gun is being added to my CCW. What a bummer.

[KahrArmed]

Now, I am just a bit pissed. Just got off the phone with Kahr again, and they are telling me they don't cover the cost of shipping to them under the warranty. So, not only have I just spent $25 for additional rounds to test them, and $18 at the range, I have pay at least that to Fed Ex or UPS the gun (they said it has to be overnight) to them. I have officially become disillusioned with Kahr. Out of the box, the gun is not working properly, I have to pay to test and then sip it back to them to get a properly working firearm? That is a load of bull!

[jocko]

Now, I am just a bit pissed. Just got off the phone with Kahr again, and they are telling me they don't cover the cost of shipping to them under the warranty. So, not only have I just spent $25 for additional rounds to test them, and $18 at the range, I have pay at least that to Fed Ex or UPS the gun (they said it has to be overnight) to them. I have officially become disillusioned with Kahr. Out of the box, the gun is not working properly, I have to pay to test and then sip it back to them to get a properly working firearm? That is a load of bull!

that is pure unadulterated BULL SH!T. They will and have 95% of the time paid for return. call again, ask for Jy and state ur case and ask politily for afree pick up of your gun. Take no for an answer but be polite. explain all u have done and tried and the cost involved to be getting u no where etc. keep us posted.

[KahrArmed]

Is that Jay, or Jy? Which option should i choose? Tech support, or is there a customer service line?

[jocko]

Now, I am just a bit pissed. Just got off the phone with Kahr again, and they are telling me they don't cover the cost of shipping to them under the warranty. So, not only have I just spent $25 for additional rounds to test them, and $18 at the range, I have pay at least that to Fed Ex or UPS the gun (they said it has to be overnight) to them. I have officially become disillusioned with Kahr. Out of the box, the gun is not working properly, I have to pay to test and then sip it back to them to get a properly working firearm? That is a load of bull!

It would have been nice if the range master was aksed to shoot ur gun, if he can duplicate than u have eliminatged shooter error. any chance of doing that befrore packing it up and sendi it back.

I must admit I hae shipped may a handgun back to smitty's UPS and when packed in a large box and ask what it was , I just say a broken high speed hole punch. fokk UPS. U never want to address a gun to a place like ol jocko' submachine gun shop, but just ol jocko and the addfress. If u notice kahrs has their address K. A.. Did I mention fokk UPS, theiur just gonna rip u off for aboutr 50$ to send it back, as best if kahr refuses u could ask them to pick up ur gun on their dime and to bill you for the cost, as it is far far cheaper for them to do that then u or I. Did I say fokk UPS?? Just sayin

I did not have sex with that woman and what difference does it make. Theo famous quites from the same family... Just sayin

[KahrArmed]

Called and talked to Jay and he emailed me a shipping label.

[HAP1978]

I know this is really off topic but I have to give a shout out to Higgy Baby. That is one of the best TV shows ever. Can still watch it all the time and it never gets old, nothin like the classics.

By the way my CW .380 should be here this week and will give everyone a range report.

[KahrArmed]

Fed Ex got the package today, I will let you know how the process progresses.

[Armybrat]

Hope they get it fixed.

Guess I've been lucky with my 3 Kahrs, a bunch of Rugers & S&Ws - never a bad one.