CW 45 barrel question>> flaking chrome and poor accuracy

[Sparx]

Ok
I picked up a used CW 45 today at the gun show. It looks excellent. My first Kahr.

As always, I took it down and cleaned the pistol. I am unable to get a patch to run out the bore clean.

First I wanted to ask if the CW bores are chromed?

It very much appears the chrome plating is peeling off the bore.

Let me know please about chrome bores on Kahrs.

Oh do you guys know date of production? Serial is: SD27xx

Jim

[Sparx]

Fired it today and function if fine.
Accuracy really stinks at 50', shoots about 4" low and is all over the place.
Used 230 grain factory Remington ball.

Was a little more accurate with my 230 grain reloads.
I will contact Kahr tomorrow regarding the chrome flaking.

Oh, that date on the box is: 8-13-2008

[rglbegl]

Rather odd to hear you having accuracy problems.
All the Kahrs I have shot have been very accurate. And considering the barrel and sight radius are short, they are amazingly accurate.

Keep us updated on the progress.
I want to know what Kahr says about this.

[Sparx]

That is what I kept reading on this forum and others regarding the Kahrs
I cannot get any kind of a group at 50' benchresting.

Shots run to the left and are low as well.
I would say the spread is about 5-6".

I am going to call them tomorrow. Not sure if the flaking bore is causing this or not but it cannot be helping.
sparx

[jfrey]

The barrel on my CW9 is flaking and has been since I bought it. I haven't had any accuracy problems with it and if the feed ramp goes bad I'm going to send it back for a replacement. I had talked to Ian when he worked for kahr and he told me it was easy, just send in the old barrel and they would send me a new one. I wouldn't expect you would have any problem getting them to swap it out.

[Sparx]

What goes wrong with the feed ramps?

Don't the barrels require fitting?
Thanks for the replies guys.

I really wanted a P9 and wish I had stuck to that. But, I saw this super clean cw45 at the gun show yesterday and grabbed it.

I will see what Kahr says if not cost effective maybe I will trade it to a cw9 no P9's available here at this time.
jim

[Sparx]

Called Kahr just now.
The Rep stated that yes the chrome flakes from the barrel and it should not matter. Yeah ok... He also stated that the barrels were not required to be chromed, and Kahr "may have gotten a deal on the chrome process". What the heck does that mean?

Not very professional I must say.

He didn't exhibit any tone of concern about my pistol, the barrel problem or the inaccuracy. I have dealt with customer service at Kimber, Smith and Wesson, and Colt and I must say Kahr really does not appear to care too much about the failure of workmanship.

I would have to send the gun next day at my expense, since I do not have an FFL.

After they receive it they would evaluate it as per the Rep's comments.

I think I will first clean it up and try to trade it in today for something else, not a Kahr of course. If I lose $75.00 or so on it that will be a victory.

I will incur about $30.00 in shipping costs and then be at the mercy of Kahr to actually correct the problem.

This first experience with Kahr customer service is not good indeed.

sparx

[jocko]

send it

Called Kahr just now.
The Rep stated that yes the chrome flakes from the barrel and it should not matter. Yeah ok... He also stated that the barrels were not required to be chromed, and Kahr "may have gotten a deal on the chrome process". What the heck does that mean?

Not very professional I must say.

He didn't exhibit any tone of concern about my pistol, the barrel problem or the inaccuracy. I have dealt with customer service at Kimber, Smith and Wesson, and Colt and I must say Kahr really does not appear to care too much about the failure of workmanship.

I would have to send the gun next day at my expense, since I do not have an FFL.

After they receive it they would evaluate it as per the Rep's comments.

I think I will first clean it up and try to trade it in today for something else, not a Kahr of course. If I lose $75.00 or so on it that will be a victory.

I will incur about $30.00 in shipping costs and then be at the mercy of Kahr to actually correct the problem.

This first experience with Kahr customer service is not good indeed.

sparx

back, if only the barrel is the issue. All kahr barrels are nickle plated, not chrome plated, They should not flake what so ever. A nickleplated barrel is a better barrel when done right. Kahr will replace the barrel if it is flaking. You can just send the barrel back regular mail for about $5, that is all they need. Iwouldnto settle for anything else but a replacement if it is flaking. Accuracy wise, they are right the flaking will not effect accuracy, but again it is not supposed tobe that way.

They will replace it, just wrap the barrel up and send it back on your dime with a letter that the gun is new yadda yadda. Be nice and I am sur eyou willget a new one in return..

[jocko]

you shouldhave gotten this kahr reps name and then went higher up in the chain of command to get this fella straightened out. It pisses me off to hear a kahr insider telling people this crap. ALL KAHR BARRELS ARE NICKEL PLATED, They got no good deals on chroming them. They have nickle palted them since they started in business. I think you would be foolish to trade it in but that is your choice to make. Kahrs customer service is good, u just got a butt head person..

[Sparx]

OK NICKEL, now that makes a hell of a lot more sense to me.

I want to thank you guys for that info.

My 59 year old allergy trashed eyes cannot tell the difference between chrome and nickel in this case.

I may call them back.

No fitting required for a replacement I assume?
jim

[jocko]

sparx, PM sent... cont to 10 before you do anything..

[DKD]

I also agree with JOCKO and the rest here that you just probably got a meat head on the line....no worries just move up the food chain instaed of winning. Kahr is not like that as a company.
As far as the accurracy is concerned, first of all you did buy a used gun and your also not accustomed to the long trigger pull....down and left is what happens the first tme out as a new right handed shooter. Don't be so quick to blame the gun, have you thought that just maybe it could be the shooter? Have you been a single action auto shooter in the past and not accustomed to double action...try pressing that trigger and focus on the front sight and your groups will move to center in short order.

[Sparx]

sparx, PM sent... cont to 10 before you do anything..

I replied to the PM and thanks
Jim

[Sparx]

I also agree with JOCKO and the rest here that you just probably got a meat head on the line....no worries just move up the food chain instaed of winning. Kahr is not like that as a company.
As far as the accurracy is concerned, first of all you did buy a used gun and your also not accustomed to the long trigger pull....down and left is what happens the first tme out as a new right handed shooter. Don't be so quick to blame the gun, have you thought that just maybe it could be the shooter? Have you been a single action auto shooter in the past and not accustomed to double action...try pressing that trigger and focus on the front sight and your groups will move to center in short order.

Yeah I have a SW mp9 c.
I did bench the pistol and took very careful sight and smooth trigger pull. It still was 3-4" low at 45 feet and nothing would group.

It was a bit better with my 230 grain hand loads but nothing to write home about. There was no such thing as grouping.
I did clean the pistol before I fired it, yes it was used but I doubt it had 100 rounds through it.
sparx

[jocko]

big big big difference in triggers of a Smith MP9 and kahr. One is damn near single action and the other has a 3/8" loooooong by design trigger pull. I have no doubt you will shoot the Smith better than the kahr due to trigger systems. Down and left is also very indicative of a right hand shooter with a kahr trigger system. I am not trying to insult you either but IMO there is nothing wrong with the accuracy of the kahr, just takes some getting used to the kahr loooooong trigger system. I can tell you that I have almost 30,000 rounds through my PM 9 and I can shoot circles around my PM9 with my G19 and I mean circles. I just don't shoot my PM9 as good as I do my glock and it is not the gun but my inability to master the trigger control system of kahrs. That being said, a bad guy is in deep **** at 7 yards and under. I don't consider my PM9 a target gun but that being said they will shoot in the same hole, just that IMO most shooters can't do it.

If you are truly looking for the same accuracy as the Smith MP9 (which I once owned one tuned by David Bowie) and that sucker would shoot the eyes out of a pigeon at 15 yards, I just never warmed up to it as it was just to damn big for anything than range use. But if you expect to shoot the kahr as good as that MP9, then from my stand point it ain't gonna happen. They are two totally different guns. I would not want to pocket a Smith MP9 with such a hairy type trigger compared to my kahr's longer trigger system. Just my two cents here but I have owned the best tuned Smith MP9 that money can buy and I own a well tuned G19 and my trusty PM9 is my 24/7 go to carry gun, but that being said when I want to hit beer cans at 15 to 25 yards I will grab my G19 every time.

I being a lefty my groupls normally are low and right and my groups over time have tightened up big time for me at 10 yards and under. That is what kahrs are designed for IMO...

Used has nothing do do with accuracy, so u have a goodgun, if it is reliable in firing etc, just stick with it some more and you will get the hang of it. U might need to change your sight picture also, 3" low at 15 yards IMO is trigger control but possable alittle more front sight will take care of that issue to...