CM9 is great but the Kahr magazines sucks

[jimsea]

Let this old timer refresh the collective memory, and remind that the 9mm round is tapered, and it is impossible to not have some nose dip in the magazine because of that.

The Luger did it - and tried to get around it with a steep grip angle. Astra did it... P38 did it... fast forward... Smith and Wesson 39 did it.

Double stacks, don't do it, because of the fold in the magazine edges, that is designed to hold the top cartridges nose high, even though the lower ones go nose low.

The 40 and the 45 dont do this as much, because they are virtually untapered (very slight due to rim sizing... not much though)

yep ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[muggsy]

Had a good session at the range with the CM9 with out any real issues with the pistol itself feeding or cycling rounds. The biggest problems were all associated with the Kahr magazines (rounds would point downward in the magazine rather than chambering. I never had this issue with any of my other pistols from Sig to Glock. Why can't they have better quality magazines or change the magazine design? I would pay an extra $10 per magazine if they worked and were reliable.

Shhhhh..., they might hear you. The mags are too expensive as it is.

[Tilos]

This is a great thread, with all the new info, I never get tired of the weekly follower threads that have been going on for 3 months now.

Add to that the mag drop stuff, sanding, squeezing, and I just can't wait to see the latest pics and vids posted for our viewing pleasure.

I guess new members appear everyday so we must rehash the same info over and over presented as new and revolutionary.

Tilos

[goose]

wha?

Just got my CM9 last week- first pistol for me. Have had zero issues. Shot 100 rounds out of the box and then took it home and cleaned and lubed it. Had not see the diagram on this site but I think I did pretty well. Put another 100 fmj through it today. The only issue I had was one FTE when my left hand got in the way and I got bit by the slide. Just dropped the mag, aimed downrange and racked the slide and back in business. I have big hands so I'm experimenting with different grips, thus the slide bite.

Ran some JHP today after the FMJ and those fed fine also.

Very happy with the accuracy of the pistol for an inexperienced shooter like me. Glad I did not get scared off by bad comments on websites.

[rstyshcklfrd]

I posted my own personal experience with my CM9, but forgot to mention this in there: I did have one issue where the bullet nosedived. I, however, fully accept responsibility for this as I know I did not sling shot that slide correctly. Other than that, no problems here either.

[kiki]

I believe it wouldnt hurt for kahr to redesign there follower! My pm9 did not like 115grn hp. (Exception of 115 fmj) i had to shoot 124 and above for it not to hang up on slingshot and sometimes even firing)......."YES"... Even slingshot way, produced nose dives with 115grn hp! (it was always 1 or 2 rnd) after i read the post on modifing follower. Changing angle. (By sanding follower) my pm9 now feeds 115s with no problems....and yes i had different kahr mags and it happen with all of them...6 and 7 rnders....so if a simple mod works, maybe, just maybe a look into it wouldnt hurt....

[JimC]

Had a good session at the range with the CM9 with out any real issues with the pistol itself feeding or cycling rounds. The biggest problems were all associated with the Kahr magazines (rounds would point downward in the magazine rather than chambering. I never had this issue with any of my other pistols from Sig to Glock. Why can't they have better quality magazines or change the magazine design? I would pay an extra $10 per magazine if they worked and were reliable.

I had no problem at all understanding what the OP was saying.
It a matter of reading comprehension I guess or what one wants to get from a statement.
Firing my PM9 for the very first time, the pistol itself was 100% for 425 rds. but two magazines failed by splitting so I also feel that I had no real issues with the pistol itself but with the POS magazines that Kahr ships with their pistols.

[TriggerMan]

Kahr is helping the economy

I had no problem at all understanding what the OP was saying.
It a matter of reading comprehension I guess or what one wants to get from a statement.
Firing my PM9 for the very first time, the pistol itself was 100% for 425 rds. but two magazines failed by splitting so I also feel that I had no real issues with the pistol itself but with the POS magazines that Kahr ships with their pistols.

Sales of Dremel Tools, polishing stones, sandpaper, micrometers, calipers and vices are way up. Can't wait for the Enhanced Trigger. Congress can probably go into Recess.

[JimC]

It is reported by some that Mec-Gar is the manufacturer of Kahr's magazines but not substantiated. Mec-Gar will not confirm that they are the supplier and there are no Kahr mags listed on the Mec-Gar web site.

Mec-Gar

Mec-Gar makes some of the very best magazines on the market today. In fact, they make magazines for many gun companies.

I use them in SIG pistols, Walther pistols and 1911 style pistols without issues.

One would think that if Mec-Gar is the Kahr mag supplier, they would be able to figure what they are doing wrong with this product and change it.

A new Kahr Arms buyer that pays for a pistol with the suggested MSRP of the Kahr pistols should not have to take the mags to his/her work bench and modify them to work properly in their new pistol!

[MLESa7990]

What I don't get is you'd think if this truly was a wide spread problem, that something would be done...of the thousands of Kahrs that are sold every year, who knows how many have magazine issues? I bet it isn't that high or something would obviously be done...wouldn't make any sense otherwise.


I can tell you I have not had a single issue with any of the SIX magazines I have for my PM9 (two 6 round, two 7 round w/ ext, one 7 round w/o ext, one 8 round w/o ext)

[jimsea]

This is a great thread, with all the new info, I never get tired of the weekly follower threads that have been going on for 3 months now.

Add to that the mag drop stuff, sanding, squeezing, and I just can't wait to see the latest pics and vids posted for our viewing pleasure.

I guess new members appear everyday so we must rehash the same info over and over presented as new and revolutionary.

Tilos

Did not realize the Kahr magazine/follower issue is/was the proverbial "dead horse" especially after reading some of the more prolific member's posts in which they opine past and present that "there are no problems to fix" because these issues are rare and can be attributed to errors in technique.

That being said, while I don't have my arsenal posted under my sig, regardless of the mag/follower issues, I will profess that the CM9 is one of my favorites to both shoot and carry.

The mag/follower issue has been struck from my radar screen.

Carry on.

[dfdann]

For what it is worth I have 4 P380 & 2 CM9 magazines and have had no problems. Two of the 380 mags were "updated" by Kahr.
Dfdann

[jocko]

quite possably the few times this magazaine issue is addressed and mods are made, it could also be something else with that particular gun, that is not being addressed but yet the mag mod seems to fix it. Sometimes one can fix a mistake by doing something else. Not saying this is true in this case but it is not a real issue IMO, sure we are seeing some of it and without reveiwing the gun itself we can't be sure of what is really the culprit. If u have the issue and feel the mod is needed. DO IT. ur not gonna do any harm other than possably ruining one follower which is replaceable. My contention is and has always been, that IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT.. Don't do it becuase others here have said it works for them . If u have issues, u have other avenues to consider. Bad Magazines possably, possably weak recoil spring assembly, maybe the gun needs to go back, let another shooter try it to see if they can duplicate. YMMV

good luck

[Tilos]

jimsea:

The sawing of sawdust will continue...without us.
Tilos

[Doc Holliday]

I dunno, mine looks great...polished it to a mirror shine!

(I think what people are experiencing is the mag release pressing against the outside of the mag, if you keep the mag release pressed in the mag will drop right out)