I'm Concerned About Quality

[paul3156]

I'm new to this thread and am / was considering a PM9. I was hoping to join this forum to learn how good the Kahrs really are. Instead I am hearing the exact same thing that's all over the internet. They are great guns - when they work. That may be okay for a range run but if I'm going to bet my life on a gun I need it to be 100% reliable. Please explain why I'm wrong as I really want to like (and buy) a PM9. The size, weight and accuracy is impressive but the G26 is looking better and better. These guns are quite expensive I don't feel I should have to send it back to Kahr several times to maybe end up with a good (reliable) gun. Plus there are stories in this forum where the shipping to Kahr is at the owners expense - further increasing the cost of the gun. Where is quality control? Help.

[LordJ]

I'm sorry but I don't see a question in that post, except "where is quality control?". What is it you would like to know? Yes, some people seem to have issues, but there are way more on this forum that don't. I can't speak for everyone else but my cm9 has over 1000 flawless rounds through it. There is also a thread for positive feedback on cm9/pm9 full of the same experience as mine.

[bulldog62]

My PM-9 is good to go along with my CW40 and my dad's P380. A buddy had a CM-9 which had to be sent back but fixed quick. Had I researched such info as this forum I might be inclined to think otherwise.
I am happy Kahr owner and trust mine.

[Markis82]

You will find the same sort of thing on any firearms forum. You hear, see, and read about the problems which are a small % of all owners. You never hear, see, or read about all of the thousands of guns that work 100% properly. The quality of the Kahr lines are second to none. I trust my life, and others lives to a Kahr everyday.

[RedRyder]

Honestly, I asked the same questions after I bought my P9. Reading so many problems had me asking why I bought this gun. Then after several flawless range experiences, I consider it to be my 'go to' gun. I agree with other posters that you generally hear mostly about the bad but few feel compelled to sound off when their gun passes all the required tests. Just like the old commercial "Try it Mikey, you'll like it." OR something like that anyway.

I bought mine on gunbroker and was really worried since I wanted the Kahr but had not found this forum until after I had purchased. Mine had a couple hundred rounds thru it from previous owner and I wondered if this was problem gun that he was selling to rid himself of a headache. Proved to not be the case, love mine and hope if you decide to get one, you'll have same experience.

[Bill K]

Welcome to KahrTalk.

The search for 100% reliability is what drives many to purchase revolvers instead of semi autos. Even a revolver can fail but I feel, from reading your post, you'd be better off with one than a Kahr or anyother pistol for that matter.

[Infidel proud]

If you are worried about spending that much on a pistol that you don't yet trust, maybe give the CM9 a hard look...Thats the one i ended up with (its my 6th kahr mind you) but it has had almost 1000 flawless rounds through it and couldn't be happier...

Anyway happy hunting...

[chrish]

I'm on my 3rd Kahr, sold the first for size issues (PM9) where I felt it was too small for my hands, just personal preference. Now have a P9 and TP9. With all 3, never a single issue. I followed the break in rules, lube rules here...at least for the break-in period. I'm probably not the most anal gun cleaner around, and some would probably consider me a bit lax. I don't clean mine after every range trip because I try to go once a week or more. So I clean mine maybe once per month, which translates to probably every 400-500 rounds per gun. I probably have 5000+ rounds thru my P9, maybe 1000-1500 thru my TP9. They run reliabably clean or semi-dirty.

I think Jocko, another member here, is up to like 1 million gazillion rounds thru his Kahr (joke, but it's a freakin high count).

Are there lemons around, sure. But as mentioned above, I think if you look at any given brand/model you can find enough complaints about it to not buy it. You see the complaints and never see the stats on actual happy owners w/ reliable pistols.

If you are a bit leary, a C series is always an option at close to $200 less than the equivalent P series. Not a whole lot of difference if you ask me. Where it counts in the reliability area, they (C vs P) are exactly the same.

[GROTMAN]

I too had some reservations about buying a pm9 after reading about some of the problems people have reported,and looked at some other options but kept coming back to the pm9. Decided to take a chance and bought my pm9 back in January and now have over 1400 problem free rounds through it. So based on my experience I would say go for it !!!

[O'Dell]

I don't know how many pistols I've owned since I started shooting them over forty-five years ago, but it probably is well into three digits. I have never found a more reliable brand than Kahr. I've had seven, and currently have four, [one's a PM9] without one failure. I can say the same about SIG and HK, but they're larger and heavier and harder to conceal. I can't claim the same for Browning, Colt, Kimber, STI, and certainly not Taurus or KelTec. Even though I have quite a few to choose from, 75% of the time the gun on my belt or in my pocket is a Kahr. I will say that I properly prep every pistol I buy before I shoot it and have always done so.

I can't personally speak for Glock because I've never owned or wanted one - two big and clunky for me, and I can't get them to point well. However, my son is a big fan, but even he won't claim perfect reliability.

[skiflydive]

Take a look here

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=13168

[Dirt doc]

I have owned 3 Kahrs and still own 2. The accuracy and function of my PM9 and PM45 are such that I am fully confident in them as my carry pieces. The P9 I used to own functioned perfectly after 200 rounds but for some reason I didn't shoot it as well as my PM9 or PM45. I own, shoot and enjoy a Kimber, a Sig, S&W's, Rugers, Tauruses and Springers but mostly I carry Kahrs.

[yqtszhj]

Buy yourself a CM9 and 500 rounds of ammo and go enjoy yourself. If you're going to get a PM9 get the black one. I have had 2 Kahrs and they have been the most flawless guns I own. They are thin, light, and shoot very well. The trigger is super smooth. If you get one of the 1% that may have a problem Kahr will fix it. If you have an issue the folks here can give you guidance and you'll be up and running. If you are going to carry a 9mm every day get a Kahr.

[muggsy]

I'm new to this thread and am / was considering a PM9. I was hoping to join this forum to learn how good the Kahrs really are. Instead I am hearing the exact same thing that's all over the internet. They are great guns - when they work. That may be okay for a range run but if I'm going to bet my life on a gun I need it to be 100% reliable. Please explain why I'm wrong as I really want to like (and buy) a PM9. The size, weight and accuracy is impressive but the G26 is looking better and better. These guns are quite expensive I don't feel I should have to send it back to Kahr several times to maybe end up with a good (reliable) gun. Plus there are stories in this forum where the shipping to Kahr is at the owners expense - further increasing the cost of the gun. Where is quality control? Help.

I trust my life to my Kahr CM9 every day. If it should fail for any reason I have my Kahr P380 for back-up. All guns are mechanical contrivances. As such all guns are subject to failures. Even revolvers have been known to fail. Ammunition has been know to fail. What you are looking for does not exist. In the last six hundred rounds of ammunition that I ran through my CM9 I had one failure to fire and that was due to a bad primer and not the fault of the gun.

[OnTarget31]

I too trust my life to a CM9 daily, with no worries about reliability. It will also go where a Glock 26 will not, in the pocket. People will say that the G26 will fit into the pocket, but they are BIG pockets. Great gun, great company and if anything does go wrong they will take care of you. No matter what the product is you will always hear more of the negative comments than good ones, not much to talk about when it runs smooth as butter! Good luck.