please redesign your magazines

[apdturbo]

Dear Kahr,
I've owned my pm9 for about 2 years now. Your magazines are aweful. I just cant deal with it anymore. They keep cracking at the top rear feed area and the bullets never seat well when fully loaded. Why would you create a quality pistol with such a $hitty magazine? It makes no sense and i've had enough. I haven't been on this forum for awhile but i just had to sign on and complain. Its like designing a sports car and putting bent wheels on it from the factory. My pm9 will be traded shortly because the magazines suck which is very very sad. I'm pissed and the magazine designer needs punched in the cock. Listen and change the mag design you deaf trolls.
-pissed pm9 owner

[apdturbo]

sorry for my rant fellows i've had my morning coffee and am a little more calm now but dang theres just no excuse. i will admit i've been shooting my pm9 a lot lately. it just seems the mags don't hold up. when you pay this much for a pistol you expect quality. i guess they dumped all their r&d on the pistol itself and none on the magazine function/durability. with all the competition out there you'd think they'd wanna keep poeple happy and coming back for more pistols. i clean and lube my pistols and mags after each session.

chime in if you are with me or disagree.

anyone want to go in on designing a new mag thats quality and make a boatload selling them to every kahr owner out there.
maybe then kahr would see their mags suck.

[7shot]

I haven't experienced any cracking issues with my two K9 mags. Now I do see the issue with the last seated magazine round, it can tend to try and pop out if it slips forward any. This could become an issue if you carry the extra in your front pocket, which is how I do it. To compensate I just play pocket pool with my extra mag every so often to make sure it stays seated properly.

I used to own Kimber 1911's and there mags were the worst ever, cheap in every aspect, springs, metal, just cheaply made. And for there prices they charge, to me it was a disgrace. The Kaur mags are 10 times the quality, IMO.

[titus1971]

Dear Kahr,
the magazine designer needs punched in the cock.
-pissed pm9 owner

That's pretty funny
I haven't had any functional problems with feeding or cracking but it does annoy me that if you have a loaded magazine anywhere but in the pistol the top round will eventually work its way out. I like to preload several mags before a range trip and by the time I get there my range bag has several loose rounds in it. That's not a severe enough issue to make my want to punch anyone in the junk though. I figure it's just one of those things you have to deal with it. I always just figured it was because the rounds have to come off at a steeper angle due to the offset feedramp. It doesnt outweigh the quality or the accuracy of the Kahr's so the mags arent a dealbreaker for me.

[apdturbo]

i've cracked 3 mags total, 2 on the left rear edge and 1 on the right. i keep them loaded all the time maybe that contributes to it. i'm gona cut the mag springs a bit on my 2 good mags, hopefully that will releave some pressure.

[jocko]

don't

i've cracked 3 mags total, 2 on the left rear edge and 1 on the right. i keep them loaded all the time maybe that contributes to it. i'm gona cut the mag springs a bit on my 2 good mags, hopefully that will releave some pressure.

cut the mag springs, u won't do nuttin but add to feedi ssues. It is bad mags and possably the gun needs to go back tokahr and the feed ramp has to be slightly modified.

keepon g them loadfed has nadda to do with it. I would call kahr and run ur issue buy them and see if they think the gun should go back, if jso, have them issue a prepair pickup on the gun. Do it right, ur way is not the right way to jfix it, nor will it fix it either.

[apdturbo]

i guess ive only had it a little over a year too not two years, that makes it even more pathetic.

[kahrsport]

if i had an issue i would get kahr to replace the parts... got 3 kahrs and i just don't see how i could possibly damage any of them with normal use... i drop mine all the time... must be a defective batch yours is...

[Tinman507]

[apdturbo]

i just emailed them, ill see what they have to say before i make a rash decision.

[jocko]

count to ten then think it over, no doubt u kahr has some issues. trust me IMO it is not mag related, but the mags are bearing the brunt of what is causing the4 issues. We have seen lately some of the 45's going back for a ramp mod, that most can't see it but it is bering done. Kahrs mags are all stainless, they are IMO quality.

as far as the top round wanting to slide out, well it is what it is. IMO this could also be design to accoumadate the offset feed ramp which is why kahrs are so damn small and so so nice to shoot as far as recoil goes. Just my guess on that but again if ur gonna pocket carry there are plenty of mag hollders that will prevent this from happening. Carrying loose in a pocket IMO is an ad for pocket lint to find its home and also for rounds to pop out when not wanted.

If u dcon't hear form them back, I would call and ask for Jay and explain the 3 mags spllitting issue, I would think they would want to have the entire gun back for IMO it is not a mag issue. (maybe one mag but 3, no way). Ask them to send a prepaid pickup . Give um a shot at making it right, then make ur decision. If this is ur first issue with a gun, then my guess is maybe u have not owned alot of guns, for they all can and will give issues. It just happens. My trusty G19 had to go back even and that is supposed to be the holy brail of guns, I trust it dearly. Sh!t happens, never good when it happens to you. Give um a shot a making it right, most have when that is done fall back in love with their little kahrs..

[JimC]

I had two out of five mags split in the same manner as you describe on day one at the range with my NIB PM9.

I contacted Kahr CS and they paid for me to send my PM9 into them to be checked out. They did the usual polish barrel, replaced mags, lubed, test fired...good. No explanation as to why or what caused the mags to split. ???

I don't think they have a clue as to how to rectify or explain this.

They sent my PM9 back with two new mags. The first day of testing it, one follower failed and caused the pistol to jam up. ???

I sent an e-mail to CS and asked WTF?

CS sent me three followers.

I've had one additional follower fail since. It seems that they just decide to fail and they do.

I've had no other mag problems since but, once your pistol gets straightened out, you will have doubts as to whether or not it will fail again until you get a couple hundred rounds down range without issues.

[GROTMAN]

I Just got back from the range after another 200 rounds through my pm9. Now have over 2200 rounds through it and never have had a problem of any kind with the 6 round mag. Have has some issues with the 7 round mag when put 7 rounds in it from time to time but if only load 6 rounds in it, works flawlessly.

[c6vetter]

1. Surprised the mods haven't closed this thread as it speaks truthfully about issues with these pistols. How dare you!

2. Kahr mags are junk, pure and simple. I added Wolff springs to mine ... Will probably cause the things to explode ... Putting a quality component in a $3 Chinese design

3. Good luck with CS. I've called, emailed, tried new manager, Tim Pierce, all to no avail.

4. Selling seems like a logical decision ... Glock, Ruger, S&W ... Lifetime warranties with people who are competent and care

[JimBianchi]

I have 6 of the 6rd mags and 3 of the 7rd and 1 of the 8rd mags. The 6rd mags have all function perfectly for many thousands of rounds.

The 7rd mags were always hit & miss, I fixed the issue by buying a K9. Never an issue with the K9 and 7rd and the 8rd mag.

What I learned is my 6rd mags only work in my MK, and they are 100% reliable.

The K9 get the 7rd and 8rd mags and are 100% reliable.

Your mileage may vary.