CM9 jamming

[gunman1]

So, hey guys! My first Kahr and so far im not that happy with it.. and that sucks because I really want to love this gun.

so I took it to the range for the first time today and got to magazines threw it before it jammed. now it James every single time... no matter what. I cant manually cycle the rounds even. I was using American eagle 124 gran FMJ



I took it home and cleaned it, still nothing.. jamming every time. doubled and triple checked everything and it all looks good. This is super frustrating.


So any advise? any thoughts? I will be calling Kahr tomorrow but I have never dealt with them before so any advice you guys can give me? Are they difficult to deal with?

[RRP]

The performance of your gun could be improved by following the prep advice in this thread.

BTW, welcome to KT.

[gunman1]

Thats for that. I did most of it but some of it I find a little ridicules. I have been shooting for 18 years (im a Springfield guy) and never ran into this problem. so the one I want to look into is

#6 To check to see if you have any issues with the slide lock lever hitting the rounds in the magazine, take the slide off and insert the slide lock lever, then reinsert a loaded magazine. Check to see if the top round is hitting the slide lock lever and moving it upward. That is a NO-NO.

If I do find this problem how would you fix it? or do I need to send it in to Kahr?

EDIT= Just checked it out and it seems that the next bullet is sliding up (away from the magazine) but I can tell if its supposed to be that way or not? It does not look like it is hitting anything.

[xsailer]

So any advise? any thoughts? I will be calling Kahr tomorrow but I have never dealt with them before so any advice you guys can give me? Are they difficult to deal with?

After reading almost all of the forum posts I'd have to say in the past their record is outstanding. A few complaints registered lately though since Jay has been transferred. If they were good in the past you would think they did it to please customers and would want to keep up that record.

[RRP]

If I do find this problem how would you fix it? or do I need to send it in to Kahr?

EDIT= Just checked it out and it seems that the next bullet is sliding up (away from the magazine) but I can tell if its supposed to be that way or not? It does not look like it is hitting anything.

Clean it, lube it, and shoot it.

You can find the lube points here. During break-in, it doesn't hurt to shoot it wet. Use more lube than you normally would. Then, shoot it like you stole it!

Come back and tell us how it went. There are lots of experienced folks here to help. You won't have to call Kahr. Just keep us posted.

Good luck.

Edited to add: One last point; this is a recoil operated pistol. This gun must be shot from a firm foundation in order to cycle properly. If the pistol is limp-wristed, some of the energy intended to cycle the slide and chamber the next round will be absorbed by the body therefore the slide won't return with enough velocity to lock into battery. Use a firm grip.

These small pistols take some practice to get used to. Don't give up.

[gunman1]

Thanks for the reply! lubed it up good, and im 99% limp wrist is not the problem. Should I be able to dry cycle it (load the gun with ammo and using my hand manual eject the magazine thru the gun)?

[gb6491]

gunman1,
Have you checked the magazine spring to see if it is oriented correctly to the follower (we've seen some from the factory that were not)? http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9193
Regards,
Greg

[RRP]

Should I be able to dry cycle it (load the gun with ammo and using my hand manual eject the magazine thru the gun)?

I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean by "eject the magazine".

If you are asking if you can jack-out all the rounds in a magazine by manually cycling of the slide, the answer is maybe, but not necessarily.

Kahr recommends that rounds be chambered using the slide release; not by pulling the slide rearward and releasing it. After break-in, some people can sling-shot the slide. Others cannot. For now, use the slide release.

Starting with an empty gun with the slide locked to the rear, insert a magazine loaded with dummy rounds. Depress the slide release. Are you able to chamber a round? If you have prepped the gun, as recommended in the posts above, you should be able to chamber a round. Let us know.

[garyb]

Exactly as RRP states. First, you need to figure out HOW it is jamming.... FTF, FTE....what? Then post what it is doing so someone can try to help you. It is a new gun. It needs to be broken in. There is a ton of experience here on the forum. Someone will help you if you are specific. It will get sorted out.

[getsome]

Hello gunman1 and welcome to Kahrtalk....Stick with us and we will get your pistol operating no doubt....DO as Greg/gb6491 says and check the magazine spring to be sure it's in there correct....There is a picture in the manual but it should be obvious how it goes in there but as Greg said for some reason the spring "guy" at the magazine factory messed up a few and got them in upside down which will cause feed issues....

Please understand that Kahr pistols are very tight when new and DO require a break in period....Some folks that have always shot other brands of pistols that shoot 100% out of the box don't understand this but if you look at the internet reviews of the Kimber Solo, Beretta Nano, and Sig 290 they also have their share of the small semi auto blues and require some fluff and buff attention and even factory return trips to get shooting right....

Now something to try is another brand of ammo...Federal American Eagle is good stuff but may be a little low on velocity and your pistol while new might work better with a couple boxes of higher power rounds to speed up the break in process....If you do the stuff in the new user sticky it really does help...If while you are watching TV sometime just rack the slide about 500 times to let the recoil spring take a seat and this alone will smooth out your gun a lot...

I have a PM40 with I guess 2000 rounds through it with only a recoil spring change...I can easily sling shot a round into chamber but the pistol won't allow rounds to be hand cycled reliably...These little pocket rockets need high slide speed and timing to work properly so just because you can't run rounds through it by hand doesn't mean something is wrong...

Keep shooting it and if you do all the things myself and the others mentioned and it continues to choke call Kahr and ask for a return shipping label and they will take care of any warranty issues...Kahr has good customer service in spite of what you may have read on the web....Good luck and let us know how it goes....

[gunman1]

Checked the magazine springs.. everything looks good.. but even after going over all your guys suggestions still no good.

Yes if i pull bac k the slide a bullet will chamber.. but no matter is I rack the slide by hand or if I fire it the bullet casing in the chamber is only partly ejected and the next round jammed...

[RRP]

.. but no matter is I rack the slide by hand or if I fire it the bullet casing in the chamber is only partly ejected and the next round jammed...

Now that is a little tid-bit of info we didn't have before. This is sounding like an extractor problem. Changing an extractor is not rocket science, but if you aren't comfortable doing this, call Kahr and tell them exactly what is happening. They will make it good.

[gunman1]

So I called Karh today and they where helpful... not very friendly but helpful. Now when I say not friendly I mean that the conversation was very short.. It kinda went like this..

Kahr- how can I help you?
me- I just bought my gun and its seems to be jamming with every shot
Karh- whats your serial number?
me- (gives serial number)
Karh- you have a bad extract, whats your address?
Me- (gives address)
Kahr- ok the return label has been sent yada yada please mail it in and we will take care of it yada yada
me... thanks...
end


So im not saying it was bad but it was super short.. and it seems either this gun has a recall im not aware of or they know about this issue because he knew what it was just by the serial. That bothers me a little, but hey if they fix it ill be happy... I REALLY want to like this gun!!!

Also anyone know if it ok for me to mail my gun from my own place or do I need to take it to a dealer? I live in Florida of course.

[codegeek]

Sounds professional to me. I mailed mine from the local FedEx. Just tell them it's a pistol. The CM9 is totally worth persevering.

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[gunman1]

Professional sure... Just short.. Burn again it's my first time dealing with them..

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