CM9 back to the Factory

[JimC]

I was sorry that I couldn't recommend a Kahr to a relative who might have to depend on it to save his life and thats the truth and sometimes the truth hurts but thats how it is....

I'm in the same situation, sort of. My Brother, a retired LEO as am I, is looking at either a CM9 or PM9 for another smaller carry gun.
We both normally carry our G27s.
I have explained the issues to him with them and mine but...I have not gone as far as saying don't buy one. He is still shopping.
I really like my PM9. I am disappointed in the fact that I can't trust it for EDC but I will NOT sell it.

[Cubby]

I'm in the same situation, sort of. My Brother, a retired LEO as am I, is looking at either a CM9 or PM9 for another smaller carry gun.
We both normally carry our G27s.
I have explained the issues to him with them and mine but...I have not gone as far as saying don't buy one. He is still shopping.
I really like my PM9. I am disappointed in the fact that I can't trust it for EDC but I will NOT sell it.

Just the opposite for me. A good friend is a LEO and carries a PM9 as a back-up / off duty gun. He stated that the Kahr would be the last gun he would get rid of! It made me buy a CM9? I haven't shot it a lot (400 rnds.), but not a single problem...

[Alfonse]

I have experienced three broken followers with my PM9...not all at once but over a 300+ rd. period.
The first one I contacted Kahr CS and they sent me a couple of new followers, three as I recall. After the third one broke, Being pissed off, I set the gun aside and considered my options and read more and more about broken followers in the CM and PM lines.
I contacted Jay at Kahr CS and after some "debate" on the paid return shipping, my PM9 went back in March of 2013 for...INSPECTED. REWORKED FEED RAMP. LUBED AND TEST FIRED OK according to the work sheet.
On two separate occasions I've fired 220 rds. thru it since w/o any problems, cleaned it and retired it to my gun safe. I can't trust the pistol for EDC at this point.

Just curious, what would it take for you to trust it for EDC? Did any of the broken followers cause a misfeed when shooting the magazine?

I think I would be pretty comfortable with that pistol.

[Schriscoe]

CM9 back to the Factory

Have any of you had luck emailing Kahr to get them to send replacement followers? I did so this week and no reply. I'll call if I have to but it's just a hassle.

[crazyjz]

CM and PM9's for EDC

I am currently in that boat. I am a LEO here in Florida. Shorts and t-shirts most of the year. EDC's have to be small. I purchased my CM9 as a slightly slimmer alternative to my long-time EDC a scandium .357 J-frame.

I had some premature slide lock issues but other wise, the gun ran fine. It broke both followers in my magazines but they apparently did not keep it from feeding and firing.

When I get my CM9 back from Kahr and it no longer prematurely locks the slide back or breaks followers, I will not hesitate to carry it. On the other hand, if I have any problems with it at all, once I get it back, I will take it to the very next gunshow I go to and trade it.

There are waaaay to many other small carry guns out there that have nearly perfect performance records. I will carry my j-frame until I find one of those I like.

[Tundra5.7]

Have any of you had luck emailing Kahr to get them to send replacement followers? I did so this week and no reply. I'll call if I have to but it's just a hassle.

I had my best luck calling around 10 AM.

[JimC]

Just curious, what would it take for you to trust it for EDC? Did any of the broken followers cause a misfeed when shooting the magazine?

I think I would be pretty comfortable with that pistol.

It would take the PM9 to function 100% and NOT break a single part.

Yes, one mag that broke a follower without me realizing that it had, gave me feeding problems while on the range.
I couldn't figure it out until I thought about it and checked the mag...broken follower, again!
I can't have this happen with a gun that I trust my life and that of my wife's' to when we travel.
Totally unacceptable and if you don't get that, I guess you just don't get it.

[Tundra5.7]

It would take the PM9 to function 100% and NOT break a single part.

Yes, one mag that broke a follower without me realizing that it had, gave me feeding problems while on the range.
I couldn't figure it out until I thought about it and checked the mag...broken follower, again!
I can't have this happen with a gun that I trust my life and that of my wife's' to when we travel.
Totally unacceptable and if you don't get that, I guess you just don't get it.

I agree with you 100%. Even though my CM9 continued to function fine with the broken follower, I immediately took it out of my carry rotation. If Kahr fixes it that is awesome, as long as it proves itself reliable. I like the CM9 but right now I don't trust it. My Glock 27 is not quite as comfortable but it's 100% reliable and mentally, I trust it.

[JimC]

I agree with you 100%. Even though my CM9 continued to function fine with the broken follower, I immediately took it out of my carry rotation. If Kahr fixes it that is awesome, as long as it proves itself reliable. I like the CM9 but right now I don't trust it. My Glock 27 is not quite as comfortable but it's 100% reliable and mentally, I trust it.

My point exactly!!!
That's why my G27 has gone back to being my EDC gun. It has never failed me...never.

[codegeek]

When your CM9 comes back from Kahr, shoot it like you stole it, as jocko sez. Check your followers often. If they are not broken, then they *might* break in a SHTF moment, but you will be in the process of swapping out your empty magazine anyways. Kahr fixed my broken follower issue, and so far, I am a happy camper.

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[MBSL500]

When your CM9 comes back from Kahr, shoot it like you stole it, as jocko sez. Check your followers often. If they are not broken, then they *might* break in a SHTF moment, but you will be in the process of swapping out your empty magazine anyways. Kahr fixed my broken follower issue, and so far, I am a happy camper.

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????

The followers shouldn't have broken in the first place.
Secondly, if a person doesn't have the confidence in Kahr to the extent that they need to check their followers AFTER it was repaired because the followers *might" break during a SHTF moment, they should dump that gun faster than a bad habit.

WADR, Kahr fixing my new gun would not make me a happy camper.
On the contrary........
Not having to send my new gun to Kahr would make me a happy camper.

[berettabone]

I think all of you should get rid of those nasty firearms, and send them to me. Or trade them for an XD, oh that's right, they got recalled, or maybe a BG, oh, that's right, they got recalled, or a Kimber, oh, that's right, they're ammo sensitive, how about a Solo, oh yea, they're ammo sensitive. It's not that big a fix, to get your followers to not hit your feed ramp. I'll give you $100 each for your firearms.

[Tundra5.7]

When your CM9 comes back from Kahr, shoot it like you stole it, as jocko sez. Check your followers often. If they are not broken, then they *might* break in a SHTF moment, but you will be in the process of swapping out your empty magazine anyways. Kahr fixed my broken follower issue, and so far, I am a happy camper.

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Probably the first thing I'll do will be to lock the slide back, push the barrel back as far as it will go and insert an empty magazine. Hopefully, there will be clearance between the feed ramp and follower.

Then I'll shoot the heck out of it. If I could afford it, I'd wring it out with a couple hundred rounds of 124 grain +P's. I do hope Kahr will get it working right as I really like the little pistol.

[mtnwinds]

They are machining either the magazine well or the barrel incorrectly. Because of the recurring nature of this problem I think quality control is nearly non-existant at Kahr.

I've worked at companies who would take guys off the street, train them just enough to push the right buttons and then have them "run" CNC machines. Usually one guy in the department knew what he was doing and he would do all the setup.

The button pushers are not machinists and do not understand tool wear, tolerances, etc. I would not be surprised if something similar isn't happening at Kahr. The bean counters are in charge and they are told to maximize profits for the top dogs.

[Tundra5.7]

I think all of you should get rid of those nasty firearms, and send them to me. Or trade them for an XD, oh that's right, they got recalled, or maybe a BG, oh, that's right, they got recalled, or a Kimber, oh, that's right, they're ammo sensitive, how about a Solo, oh yea, they're ammo sensitive. It's not that big a fix, to get your followers to not hit your feed ramp. I'll give you $100 each for your firearms.

I hope you are right and it is an easy fix! However, my question is why does Kahr not do this before the pistol ever leaves the factory? With the extra work and shipping fees, seems to me it would be worthwhile to ensure the pistols worked properly before leaving the factory the first time.