Trigger Bar wear into frame CM9

[PX15]

Frame wear:

My apologies if this subject has been brought up before but I just wanted to give heads up to those folks who own CM9's.

I bought 2 CM9's last year and love em'.

Neither has over a hundred rounds fired through them.

I cleaned one last week and the trigger transfer bar had worn a hole almost completely thru the side of the plastic frame, but still appeared to function properly,just above the trigger spring.

I finished cleaning it and took it out to my berm and it fired 2 rounds than quit.

I took it apart again and found the transfer bar had worn completely through with the firing of the last 2 rounds and had morphed from a very fine 9MM, easily concealable pistol to a poor, but easily concealable, hammer.

I contacted Kahr and got an ra and have returned the defective CM9 (at my expense).

I dissembled the other CM9 I bought at the same time and has the same amount of rounds fired, and it had absolutely NO wear in that area.

Just a heads up to you other owners of CM9's..

You might want to check yours.

J.

[dohcacr]

Can you post a picture of the frame wear your talking about?

[jocko]

that gun was defecxtie from the day it was made, just took this amount of time for it to do what it did. That is a virtual first that I have ever read on this forum or anywhere.

Take a photo of this and send it to kahr, attn Jay insist on a pre paid pickup on this gun. u should not have to pay to send it bak,m that willbe very costly, and IMO they are gonna have to replace the lower frame anyways. A good phgoto will get u a pre paid pickup on the gun I have no doubt.

A photo sure wold be ice to see though....

a new lower frame will entice new serial umberts which will then require it to be sent to a FFL dealers also. iT CANNOT BE SENT BACK TO YOU.

[RogerP9fan]

Frame wear:

My apologies if this subject has been brought up before but I just wanted to give heads up to those folks who own CM9's.

I bought 2 CM9's last year and love em'.

Neither has over a hundred rounds fired through them.

I cleaned one last week and the trigger transfer bar had worn a hole almost completely thru the side of the plastic frame, but still appeared to function properly,just above the trigger spring.

I finished cleaning it and took it out to my berm and it fired 2 rounds than quit.

I took it apart again and found the transfer bar had worn completely through with the firing of the last 2 rounds and had morphed from a very fine 9MM, easily concealable pistol to a poor, but easily concealable, hammer.

I contacted Kahr and got an ra and have returned the defective CM9 (at my expense).

I dissembled the other CM9 I bought at the same time and has the same amount of rounds fired, and it had absolutely NO wear in that area.

Just a heads up to you other owners of CM9's..

You might want to check yours.

J.

I'll also be waiting for you to post pics here of the problem.

[PX15]

Can you post a picture of the frame wear your talking about?

doh:

Sorry, my images are on photobucket, but they have changed the way you access them and I don't have a clue as to how it works now. (I'm 71)..

If you would care to email me (my email address is available on my profile here I think) I believe I can attach the photos from my computer library and send them back to you and you are more than welcome to put them here for me.

Sorry.

Jesse

[pbagley]

You could try http://www.servimg.com/ for photo hosting. It is free and easy. Just go to the upload box, browse to your image, and click upload. When the file is uploaded you can paste the BBcode for the image into the body of your message and hit preview. Good luck.

[PX15]

You could try http://www.servimg.com/ for photo hosting. It is free and easy. Just go to the upload box, browse to your image, and click upload. When the file is uploaded you can paste the BBcode for the image into the body of your message and hit preview. Good luck.

pg:

dohcacr emailed me a few minutes ago and I attached three photos of the defective CM9 frame to him. Hopefully he will share them here shortly.

In the meantime I'll give your suggestion a try..

Thanks!

Jesse

[dohcacr]

pg:

dohcacr emailed me a few minutes ago and I attached three photos of the defective CM9 frame to him. Hopefully he will share them here shortly.

In the meantime I'll give your suggestion a try..

Thanks!

Jesse

Don't know who emailed you, but it was not me. If you want to send the pics to me I'll post them for you.

[PX15]

[QUOTE=dohcacr;303163]Don't know who emailed you, but it was not me. If you want to send the pics to me I'll post them for you.



Ok,

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I tried to send you 3 photos just a second ago.

Jesse

[dohcacr]

Photos from PX15

These are large pics, so rather than resizing and loosing detail, I'm posting just the links.

https://copy.com/w4bQ1uEkJzY2
https://copy.com/zJy8a7bxjJve
https://copy.com/w4bQ1uEkJzY2

[PX15]

These are large pics, so rather than resizing and loosing detail, I'm posting just the links.

https://copy.com/w4bQ1uEkJzY2
https://copy.com/zJy8a7bxjJve
https://copy.com/w4bQ1uEkJzY2

Thanks for posting these photos for me.

I took these photos when I discovered the problem, but AFTER I reassembled the CM9 and fired it, it got worse, and quit functioning period after 2 rounds.

At this point I got an RA and sent it back to the factory at my expense.

I just tracked the progress via UPS and my CM9 won't get to the factory until Wednesday (5/21)..

I'll let you know what happens..

I just worry that there is someone out there carrying the CM9 for personal protection, that came off the line just before mine, or maybe after, who's pistol MIGHT have the same defect.

That person might well be only one or two rounds from a catastrophic failure at the worst time..

Then again perhaps this factory defect is only limited to my gun, but that seem's unlikely.

J.

[Cubby]

If they made me pay for shipping, I would scrap the gun! That's just not right, unless they will reimburse you after looking at it?

[hardluk1]

You payed to send it back?? Wrong , new pistol they will send a shipping label to use.

[Rubb]

Weird, I don't see how that would even be possible on mine?

[gb6491]

Frame wear:

My apologies if this subject has been brought up before but I just wanted to give heads up to those folks who own CM9's.

I bought 2 CM9's last year and love em'.

Neither has over a hundred rounds fired through them.

I cleaned one last week and the trigger transfer bar had worn a hole almost completely thru the side of the plastic frame, but still appeared to function properly,just above the trigger spring.

I finished cleaning it and took it out to my berm and it fired 2 rounds than quit.

I took it apart again and found the transfer bar had worn completely through with the firing of the last 2 rounds and had morphed from a very fine 9MM, easily concealable pistol to a poor, but easily concealable, hammer.

I contacted Kahr and got an ra and have returned the defective CM9 (at my expense).

I dissembled the other CM9 I bought at the same time and has the same amount of rounds fired, and it had absolutely NO wear in that area.

Just a heads up to you other owners of CM9's..

You might want to check yours.

J.

PX15, Welcome to the forums.

To be clear in my mind, is this the hole (red arrow) you are talking about?


If it is, (and given that it stinks regardless of the source) I'm more inclined to think that this was caused by the trigger rather than the trigger bar. (By your photos, the trigger bar looks correct where it engages the trigger. If this is so, the trigger bar would be setting below the top of the trigger).

I'm also suspicious of how the materiel is deformed (looks pushed back from the edge and up to me) in that area. That might possibly have been done during assembly.

If the damage in this area is the reason that the pistol ceased to operate, then I would think trimming that material away would fix the issue. This is just a guess on my part, but I'm basing it on how my CW9 is constructed in that area. If you'll look at the photo below, you'll see that there is no material over the trigger on my CW9 in that area (I think you can also see what I mentioned about the trigger bar sitting below the top of the trigger).

Again, I'm assuming that's the area you are talking about and the rest is all supposition on my part (most probably, I'm talking out my rear end).

Here's hoping they turn it around for you quickly.

Regards,
Greg