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There is no such thing as a lemon Kahr. There are Kahr pistols that are not within the manufacturing spec. There are user expectations that exceed the design spec. And there are users that are so convinced things are bad, they just will never be satisfied. Not saying the latter is the case in this instance.
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Last week I purchsed this CW 45, brand new, while the PM45 was in for repair at Kahr. Not sure I want to take the chance and fire it...
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I agree with kenemoore, my first gun was a Ruger P95. I could never get that thing to work. I never sent back to Ruger because i didn't know that i could. but i kept shooting it and one day it work flawlessly and never had an issue again. Its like a possi traction rearend I can't explain why but it just does. lol. best of luck and hope that she comes aroundComment
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Sparx.....how about dropping the woe is me routine. Your fascination for internet sympathy is a bit too obvious.Comment
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I post issues with brand new guns that should work but don't to let other people know what they might be experiencing.Originally posted by CJB View Post
If I can buy over 15 M1 garands a year (and I do) and have every one of them work, or get them working myself, I see no reason why a brand new gun that has been on the market for years should not work or cannot be promply corrected. Too many people are getting new guns that are not working, I go to the range about 4-5 a weeks see it almost every day.
Why do the S&W's work 95% of the time, or if they don't they are repaired the first time around, and without a battle for a return label? Same for Glock? And don't tell me to go buy a S&W and a Glock, because I already have. Right now I am 50-50 with Kahr, lets see it they are capable in repairing their pistol.
And this "keep shooting the gun, it will smooth out and work" theory is a lot CRAP.
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Makes you wonder if the whole issue with his Kahr is just a story…Originally posted by CJB View PostComment
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Here you go run the tracking number. Hopefully you are capable of understanding what these images indicate.Originally posted by markerbeacon View Post
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You can get M1 Garands to work, but you can't figure out how to fix this problem????????????????????????????Comment
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My spidy senses are detecting some tension here. Let's all take a breath and stay on course.
Really shouldn't have to fix a problem with a brand new gun but it does happen. It's back at the mother ship hopefully getting all fixed up and it will be worth it when it's all sorted out.
According to Patton, the M1 Garand was the finest battle implement ever devised. I love mine (only got 1), always seems to work for me, don't shoot it much lately. Need to give it a run one of these days.http://bawanna45.wix.com/bawannas-grip-emporium#!
In Memory of Paul "Dietrich" Stines.
Dad: Say something nice to your cousin Shirley
Dietrich: For a fat girl you sure don't sweat much.
Cue sound of Head slap.
RIP Muggsy & TManComment
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Good thinking Bawanna!
I too have experienced bad Kahr pistols. I got one of the first T40's and the first time on the range, a couple of key elements of the pistol fell OFF the gun while I was shooting! Man was I despaired. I had a PM45 that never worked right and the early PM series guns were hit and miss. Yet I have always had a Kahr in my arsenal. My current PM45 is a gem and a great carry cannon. Hopefully they will get your bugs worked out, I remember having a Elite 40 I bought used and it was suffering the memorable peening problem, but the gun was bought used and since I was an LEO type and bought from another LEO, they took care of the problem. Kahr CS is pretty good.Comment
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Sparx, it aint crap.Comment
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Quotes from the Hon. Sparx
"I post issues with brand new guns that should work but don't to let other people know what they might be experiencing."
"This is what I expect,the gun never functioned properly from the first outing."
"These guns retail for about $800.00, I would have thought they would work. (not like we are speaking about a Taurus) Besides, isn't it service that makes the difference in any manufacturer?"
"Be wiser to carry a sling shot than this pistol."
"How was your Kahr repair experience, mine sucks!"
"...my new not working from the start...."
"Seems in recent years if you get a good firearm, you are set. If you get a bad gun, repairs never can make it right."
In this thread, not one question. Only venting and dire, dire warnings, based on your self proclaimed proficiency. I call that a woe-is-me attitude, you're trying to enlist symphathy againt Kahr for your own thus far bad experience.
Had you said something to the sort, such as "I got this Kahr. It had problems so I sent it back. But it still has problems, what should I do?", then I would say you're honestly seeking some help. You are not. You are here to complain and kvetch about Kahr and bring as many folks into the fray as you can.
Here is exactly why the 300 rounds is not crap.
Kahr is a very refined design, who's primary parameter, its reason for being, is to be small and reliable. Addressing small, you will notice that compared against other designs, the breech face overtravel of the Kahr, as it strips a new round from the magazine, is quite minimal. Compare it to, say, a Colt .45 Auto, which has generous overtravel. Due to this, in a effort to keep things small, the mechanism is more sensitive to the strength of the recoil spring assembly. Kahr must make, and does make, the recoil springs in such a manner that they will become the springs they ought to be, for correct operation. They are some stiff springs as new. You must take this into consideration. The use of high power ammo, not run of the mill target ammo, will facilitate this "spring set" as well as facilitate the very tight design tolerance of the Kahr. Because of the way spring metal works, holding back the slide, racking by hand, will not do much to the overall set of the spring. Rapid flexing is the only way to do that, and the more rapid, the better. Hence the advice of stout ammo.
Keep in mind, this assumes a proper hold, and also means when you change the recoil spring, you should re-ensure the new spring's set before critical use is undertaken.
Folks here have been ready, willing and able to load up their vast experience and advice to you. You have countered with complaints and arrogance. I personally have no room for either, and.... there is really no excuse for Kahr bashing. Be a man. Hold the pistol like a man. Solve any problems like a man. Enjoy the pistol, like a man. Can you do that, please?
And if you ever want to unload your problem Kahr, I'll take it. Never saw a Kahr with an issue that couldn't be easily resolved!Comment
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I shoot with one hand, have sine 1968. Two hand shooting does not work for me.
I have no problems with S&W, Glock, Springfield Armory- xds, xdm, and a Kahr CM9, that has 1000+ rounds through it with no malfunctions. I also had 3 Keltec PF9's that NEVER jammed with tons of round thru them.
I use the same brands of ammo in all these pistols, no Russian crap. I have never had a jam in any SA XD pistol of 5 of them, nor the S&W shield or MP compact 9mm's I own or the excellent kahr CM9 I have.
This PM45 has issues. The last outing after about 30 rounds, approaching the 300 round count, I could only fire ONE round and the gun jammed, 4 mags in a row. I gave up after this.
Hardly a carry gun.
I get the impression from you CJB, that I should bow down to the PM45 just because it is a beloved Kahr; sorry a pistol that has this many issues is not getting my respect. The fact the the Company, Kahr fought so hard to not send a shipping label for a gun with so many problems didn't do anything to help. The gun is back in their hands let's see if they can troubleshoot it this time.
Sold the PW45today, not interested in any more experimentation.
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