anyone experience this with therir mags?

[kahrdriver]

If I load a full mag and release the slide to chamber a round, and then remove the magazine, the next round in the mag is no longer fully seated. It has partially moved forward towards the chamber. I have not been able to get to the range to check function. I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed this.

[Jeremiah/Az]

Yes, my PM9 does that, but it never malfunctions or fails to pick up the next shell.

[rickmn50]

Yep! All kinds of well documented issues with single stack magazines like the ones used in Kahr autos. Full mags only make the issue worse. This is why I go 1 & 6 rather than 1 & 7.

[wyntrout]

Yes, that's pretty normal and the 9mm magazines don't hold the cartridges in place very well. Without a secure holder, the cartridges can "wiggle" out one by one. Someone said their loose magazine emptied like that. This can happen in a loose holder, too. Carrying a magazine loose in the pocket is not a good idea.
Wynn

[Internet Blohard]

Mag holders are the ticket. Whether attached to the belt or carried in the pocket, they are a necessary and a "must have" accessory. Loose mags carried in the pocket is no-go.

[tyrobins]

My PM9 does that as well. Doesn't bother me, just push that round back down and in and put that +1 in the mag. I chalk that up to the guns size, everything needs to be tight in this gun because of the size to caliber ratio.

I agree, don't put mags in pocket. Those rounds will work themselves out every time.

[alank2]

Hi,

See my recent thread on my slide lock locking before the magazine was empty. The rounds going slightly forward when the round above it was the problem. A pushed back round worked great, but a round that was 1/16" or 1/8" forward was hitting the slide stop lever from the inside and pushing it up, locking the slide back before the mag was empty. I ended up grinding down a little bit of the slide stop lever which fixed things. You can easily test this by unloading, verifying unloaded, disassemble to frame only, put a round in a mag and push it forward, push it up through the magwell and see if it contacts the slide stop lever. I would NOT push an empty magazine up though the magwell without the slide in place because it may push the lever higher than it would normally allow with the slide and this may put more tension on the slide lock lever spring that it is designed for.

As long as the cartridge being forward doesn't contact the lever, I would say it is no big deal.

Good luck,

Alan

[jocko]

QUOTE:
I would NOT push an empty magazine up though the magwell without the slide in place because it may push the lever higher than it would normally allow with the slide and this may put more tension on the slide lock lever spring that it is designed for


totally disagree, will not hurt one thing.

[alank2]

Hi Jocko,

Notice the use of the word may twice in my statement.

I have had this happen on a Glock where pushing up on the slide stop lever too much because the slide was off bent the spring farther than it was designed and caused problems. I don't know if the same would/could happen on the Kahr, but needless to say I am careful since I've seen it happen. I'm not saying the magazine would do it though, just that too far = problem.

Thanks,

Alan

[texjames]

Hi,

See my recent thread on my slide lock locking before the magazine was empty. The rounds going slightly forward when the round above it was the problem. A pushed back round worked great, but a round that was 1/16" or 1/8" forward was hitting the slide stop lever from the inside and pushing it up, locking the slide back before the mag was empty. I ended up grinding down a little bit of the slide stop lever which fixed things. You can easily test this by unloading, verifying unloaded, disassemble to frame only, put a round in a mag and push it forward, push it up through the magwell and see if it contacts the slide stop lever. I would NOT push an empty magazine up though the magwell without the slide in place because it may push the lever higher than it would normally allow with the slide and this may put more tension on the slide lock lever spring that it is designed for.

As long as the cartridge being forward doesn't contact the lever, I would say it is no big deal.

Good luck,

Alan

Thats what mine was doing too shooting 147 gr Golden Sabers.The slide would lock back every round.I ordered a new slide stop, it came in today.
I am going to grind on the new one and have my original for back up in case i screw it up.I have a thread about it someplace too.
Golden sabers are sorta fat and when they slide fwd in the mag they are hitting the slide stop as was yours.

[hedgehog]

my springfield emp does this alot. I think its the front part of the feed lips are too tight. but im not sure.

[alank2]

Hi texjames,

First thing I would do is check the new slide stop lever to see if it has the same problem, you might get lucky and it doesn't need any grinding.

Here is what I did to mine:



The yellow lines represent what it looked like originally. Note how they come out to a point that contacts the ammunition. I really don't see a good reason for the point as it extends well past the landing on the underside where the metal pin from an unloaded mag pushes.

The red line represents what I ground it down to. Basically I made a new line between the other two points. This left plenty of landing still on the underside.

The view is from the top. Since the magazine/ammo goes up I figured that would be the way you would want to grind it. Once done I would put a slight bevel on the underside of what you ground so there isn't any sharp edge the ammo can catch on.

I'm not saying this is the only or right way to do it, just that it worked for me.

Good luck,

Alan

[Tilos]

Alank2:
Thanks for the drawing, it helped a lot in your description.

I haven't tried defense ammo yet, but those shorter, blunt bullets seem to magnify this problem and now I know were to look.

Just sayin'
Tilos

[tomwalshco]

Pretty simple physics, really. When the top round is pushed into the chamber, friction will pull the round below against the inside of the magazine.

Shorter, flat-top hollow points will slide even further forward which causes the fatter part of the bullet to hit the mag lock lever. Long, slender WWB rounds won't do this, but stubby hollow points will.

You can push the top round back all you want, but the process will repeat itself on the next round, especially with strong spring pressure and rounds towards the top of the mag..

[rickmn50]

I would think it would be an common issue with all single stack magazines. There has to be a solution in the magazine design that could make me a million bucks. I am going to have to put some thought into this! Like Kahr and everyone else hasn't done this already.