Competition for the Kahr PM 9?

[jocko]

ryoung..Seems that it is getting harder & harder to find ANYthing made worth a damn anymore


boy u got that right for sure..

[BroncoAZ]

ryoung..Seems that it is getting harder & harder to find ANYthing made worth a damn anymore


boy u got that right for sure..

I'm pretty pleased with my PM9 and new P380

[Seahawk60]

My PM9 is awesome, as well. Funny thing is I found some .380 recently, so I took my old POS Kel-Tec P3AT out and it ran 75 flawless rounds after sitting for a year or more. Didn't even clean/lube it. Go figure. Next time out, I'll probably have several FTFs. I've been through it a bunch of times (changing parts, fluff and buff, KTOG tricks, etc) and it's been back to Kel-Tec more than once. That P3AT has been the weirdest gun...very inconsistent...

[jocko]

That P3AT has been the weirdest gun...very inconsistent...


I owned 3 of them, totally inconsistent, mine never worked very long, 17 times back for all 3 of them. god's truth. U name it, and it happened to my kt's. I have heard they are alot better today, but they have lost a ton of market dominance when they were thee only game in town. My guess they are at the lower end of the 380 food chain today..

[BroncoAZ]

My KT pistols were very good, except for the P3AT. Over the past 10 years I had 2 P32's, 4 P11's. 2 P3AT's, 3 PF9's, a Sub2000, and a PLR-16. Some may think this is excessive, but I like to standardize and maintain redundancy (I have 4 G23's currently).

The first was a P32 that I carried appendix with their clip for 5 years. The gun ran perfect and never had an issue. I stupidly replaced it with a P3AT soon after they were introduced. The gun is terrible, and still sitting broken in my safe. My second P3AT was better, but not totally reliable. I went back to my trusted P32 and kept it until the Ruger LCP came out. I think the P3AT was never properly redesigned from the P32 to handle the .380 cartridge.

[jocko]

no doubt

My KT pistols were very good, except for the P3AT. Over the past 10 years I had 2 P32's, 4 P11's. 2 P3AT's, 3 PF9's, a Sub2000, and a PLR-16. Some may think this is excessive, but I like to standardize and maintain redundancy (I have 4 G23's currently).

The first was a P32 that I carried appendix with their clip for 5 years. The gun ran perfect and never had an issue. I stupidly replaced it with a P3AT soon after they were introduced. The gun is terrible, and still sitting broken in my safe. My second P3AT was better, but not totally reliable. I went back to my trusted P32 and kept it until the Ruger LCP came out. I think the P3AT was never properly redesigned from the P32 to handle the .380 cartridge.

for Ruger basically copied the kt380 and had to recall over 50,000 of them, which kt shouldhave done on their 380 and PF9's to but just never would do it. They had some real drop safety issues with both and still never recalled them but made a change after over 300,000 were already floating around in the publics hands. I lost faith in their product as soon as Ruger dcame oput with the lcp. even though it gave itssue, Ruger did the right thing and totally recalled all of them, No doubt either the Ruger lcp is by far a better working guin today than any kt380 and they look basically the same, but IMO the ruger isjust better made .I do't think kt ever thought they would be challenged in the 32 and 380 guns for they had the lightest and at the time the neatest two guns out there for years, so they basically IMO didn't care about quality or reliability or for that matter safety either. Once the 380 came out by kt the 32 died a quick death. It was just so under powered IMO over the 380, but most 32's did work, it seemed. The one I had sure didn't though. I had to barrel lugs break back to back in my 32, Now damn barrel lugs should not break, let alone the replacement one breakingin less than 50 rounds. they were both so pourus when examine, that no wonder they broke off.

About the only good thing was their lifetime warranty, which means nothing if you have a gun you can't trust either, as soon as I could finaly get my 3 kt's running for 50 rounds without an issue I PEDDLED THEM.

[Seahawk60]

I stupidly replaced it with a P3AT soon after they were introduced. The gun is terrible, and still sitting broken in my safe.

Send that P3AT back to KT and demand they make it right. I actually have two P3ATs. One was an old 1st generation one that was complete crap. I finally got around to sending it in and told them I was fed up with it and asked if they could replace it with a 2nd gen pistol. My other one that was much better is a 2nd gen. So, I got a brand new 2nd gen P3AT back in exchange with my old serial number stamped on the frame. I think it also had to do with my 1st gen P3AT being a hard chromed one from back when they did the $20 slide exchange. I bet I got a new 2nd gen, also hard chromed, because they didn't have any hard chromed 1st gen parts left.

Of all the bad things I've said, felt, experienced with KT products, I certainly can't complain about their customer service. It HAS to be good with all the practice they get.

[Seahawk60]

for Ruger basically copied the kt380 and had to recall over 50,000 of them, which kt shouldhave done on their 380 and PF9's to but just never would do it. They had some real drop safety issues with both and still never recalled them but made a change after over 300,000 were already floating around in the publics hands.

I've been with the P3AT since basically day ONE. I traded a problematic P32 (of course ) for a P3AT as soon as I ran across one in person. I don't recall ever hearing about a drop safety issue with the P3AT.

[BroncoAZ]

Send that P3AT back to KT and demand they make it right. I actually have two P3ATs. One was an old 1st generation one that was complete crap. I finally got around to sending it in and told them I was fed up with it and asked if they could replace it with a 2nd gen pistol. My other one that was much better is a 2nd gen. So, I got a brand new 2nd gen P3AT back in exchange with my old serial number stamped on the frame. I think it also had to do with my 1st gen P3AT being a hard chromed one from back when they did the $20 slide exchange. I bet I got a new 2nd gen, also hard chromed, because they didn't have any hard chromed 1st gen parts left.

Of all the bad things I've said, felt, experienced with KT products, I certainly can't complain about their customer service. It HAS to be good with all the practice they get.

My broken P3AT had constant feeding issues and failure to go into battery. The last time I shot it the slide failed to go into battery, when I pulled the trigger the hammer spring broke. I e-mailed them several times asking for a return authorization, but I never got a response. I have not tried calling them. If they did fix or replace the gun I'd just sell it immediately.

[Seahawk60]

Then spend the $10-15 to send it back and get it fixed into "sellable" condition. No sense in keeping a broken gun around when you don't have to. Or call Kel-Tec and have them you send you the parts (free) to fix it yourself. These are pretty easy pistols to work on... They'll send every part out but the frame, slide and barrel. Believe me, I know. I'm sure I have enough spare parts in my junk box to build a complete P3AT if I had those three other parts. I even have three plastic grip assemblies in two different colors.

Try calling. I never had a problem getting an RMA and I've sent guns back to Kel-Tec several times. It will probably take 6+ weeks to get it back, though. And, they close for 10 days over Christmas/New Years, so take that into account. 'Tis the season...

edited to add: I keep my two P3ATs around because they do serve the purpose of a "deep hideout gun". Both of them will definitely get through several mags before having any problems with FTFeeds. They will always shoot at least 4 mags reliably and I've tested this at the range extensively back when I actually carried the things when I first got my CC permit years ago. I figure I'm only going to have two or three mags on me with it anyway, so they WILL do the "trick" up close and personal. I start having problems after about 50 rounds. That should NOT be a problem, but...oh well... They'll reliably fire the 20 or so rounds I'm carrying... And, unlike others, I've never actually had one *break* on me when using it, so that's something.

Plus, they're the only "cute" little plastic .380s I have...so I keep 'em around... More as a novelty, I guess, since I never carry them anymore...but I could should the need arise...

[wagon]

NICE.. no fugly gap between the grip and the mag.... not sure how it shoots tho.