Agrips on PM40 and mag - Photos

[garyb]

I am uncertain of the effects of various cleaning solvents/agents and lubricants. I would expect the manufacturer would have details available concerning the specific solvent products you use. I checked the literature but could not find anything this specific. Personally, I would be very careful NOT to saturate the agrip material and would take necessary precautions to protect it because it works so nicely. I know that water is not an issue.

[Bawanna]

Nice work. I can see no reason why a person would need to get solvent anywhere near the material. A wipe down with a patch with a little solvent if things are really bad, but no more than that.
It does tie the package together nicely and looks good.

[Ol'coot]

Whats the experience with this after cleaning and solvent exposure! Nice looking holster, Manufacturer?
The purpose of covering the grip is?

Nice looking Job Gary it really changes the overall look of the gun, and I have the question and concerns as earle8888

[garyb]

Time will tell if the agrip material holds up. They warrant it for ONE year, but state it could hold up for 20 years (but perhaps if it is sitting in my gun vault - who knows?) I will determine if it will withstand the wear and tear of everyday carry, frequent range use, and endure minimal contact with solvents and lubs. I don't plan to saturate the material. Obviously, I am not on the agrip payroll or endorsing the product yet. I will let you know when the material begins to fail in any way and the reasons why. The agrip material was not cheap, but relative to what I spent on the gun, holsters, mags, (future reloading equipment,) etc.... the material has asthetic and technical function and was worth a try. Thus far, the agrip material is fulfilling its role and performing nicely.
Again, I'll let you know the real deal over time, once I know.
Thanks for your comments.

[JLeephoto]

Agrip w/CT

GaryB, the pictures not big enough for my tired eyes to tell, but does the Agrip create any difficulty in installing the CT laser? Did you put the grip on first then install the laser or cut around it?

[garyb]

JLeepphoto, I believe you can double click on the photo to enlarge them. I am not sure why some guys photo attachments install so large and others do not....sorry.

I did install the Agrip prior to installing the CTL and had absolutely no problem installing the CTL. In fact, the CTL seems to stay in one place better with the Agrip material in place.

So far (approx 3 months use) the Agrip material has held up VERY well with daily pocket carry and daily dry fire practice. There were no problems at all with the material on the grip or the mag bases. I especially like it on the short 5 round mag, as it eliminates the stainless glare which helps with concealment and feels so much better and secure in the hand. I have not had much range time with the extended mags, so time will tell. I will report back after a good period of use. I hope this helps.

[mr. bggs]

my only question is how does it affect your draw. i know the hogue slip on thing really grabs a shirt or inside of pocket to the point i cant comfortably carry with them. i love the looks of agrip and want to try them, but i just wonder how it grabs the inside of the pocket or tshirt when packin it. thanks in advance gary i know we are hitting you with everything under the sun, downside of being the beta tester i guess. lol. thanks. brad in NC

[garyb]

Hey Brad, The agrip is not sticky against cloth material nor leather holster. It does not grab the inside of the pocket. In fact, it slides better against the clothing than the sharp edges on the kahr polymer grip. The agrip material does enhance your grip in the hand whether sweaty or dry. Therefore, if anything it will enhance your draw by better hand grip but without clothing friction nor stickiness. It actually feels and smells like an ultra thin piece of suade leather. Very comfortable to hold. It is so thin that you can see the "K" label and the stipling on the grip protrude through the agrip material. Apply it correctly and you will NOT be disappointed. It really sticks well to the polymer. I've showed it to Hogue users and they like the agrip much better. You will see why. The agrip is really not all that expensive to try out, even if you don't like it. You will like it, I assure you.

[dusty10]

does the Agrip material bleed black when covered in sweat?

[Bawanna]

does the Agrip material bleed black when covered in sweat?

You must be in a different union local. Round here sweating is prohibited, and you'll be in the same harbor with cement overshoes with Hoffa if you violate the rule.

[dusty10]

Different parts of the country have different union rules. 'Round here, the bosses start sweating the moment they exit their cadillacs. Or maybe it's cuz 'round these parts we don't cotton to no stinking union bosses. Dunno, I'll have to think on that a spell.

[garyb]

Sweat Black Question -
I am currently in Florida, in our motor home. We had a big wedding for my youngest daughter on 1/1/11. Great day....daddy publically cried (during the daddy daughter dance) cried in spite of successfully gulping down the tears on other occasions during the ceremony (ie., walking her down the aisle)...oh well. They are off on their honeymoon to Jamaca..."mon".

Anyway, I had the opportunity to shoot with my son-in-laws the other day. It was sunny but not terribly hot (high 70's) and I did have mildly sweaty hands and did not note any black bleeding from the agrip material. I would tend to believe that it would be more likely for color bleeding to occur early on, rather than later. I would encourage you to contact agrip makers directly and pose your question or problem with bleeding black if you had experienced this in the past. Perhaps they have made a change to the product in recent years to correct it OR it is still a problem (unexperienced up to this time by me). I can not say if this will remain the case as the material ages, because it is only a few months old now.

My one son-in-law is a big time handgunner. He uses primarily full size handguns. He has used other pistol grip materials and this was the first time he saw/felt the agrip material or used my PM40. He was pleasantly surprised how nice the material works. Better yet, he was astonished at how little recoil (muzzle flip) he felt with the PM40. He expected much more. His first 6 rounds were all in the 10 ring at 7 yards. He outshot his Springfield XD with my little PM40 and CTL. I know he was surprised. As a defense, he told me that using the CTL is "cheating". I responded that in self defense when a guns are drawn, there is no such thing as cheating. I could see by his expression that he is considering a CTL. Ha ha. But by his words, he is going to get agrips on his handgun(s). He loved the agrip material.

I can say that the material is holding up great on the grip and the mag bases/extensions. It is ultra thin but seems to be mega tough and adheres well. I took my time installing the material and had cleaned things up well, so I believe this is a big part of the reason for it adhering so well.

[smokey337]

Agrips ordered. What did you use to clean the polymer hand grip prior to applying the Agrip material?

[garyb]

I am not being evasive but you will receive very clear directions on how to degrease and clean the grip, etc... If you follow the directions precisely, you will have NO problems. The directions tell you everything. You can also go to their web site to preview this information. Minimal materials are needed. (Alcohol, degreaser, razor to trim up the edges, chair to sit in when you have the pistol between your knees during application). It only takes about 5-10 minutes to do the entire job...very quick and simple process. Read them over first and get the cleaning materials for the delivery of your new Agrips. Take your time. The stuff really sticks. It sticks even better over time. Allow it to overlap where it is designed to. It adheres to itself well. Good luck. You will like it.

[dusty10]

Sweat Black Question -
I am currently in Florida, in our motor home. We had a big wedding for my youngest daughter on 1/1/11. Great day....daddy publically cried (during the daddy daughter dance) cried in spite of successfully gulping down the tears on other occasions during the ceremony (ie., walking her down the aisle)...oh well. They are off on their honeymoon to Jamaca..."mon".

Anyway, I had the opportunity to shoot with my son-in-laws the other day. It was sunny but not terribly hot (high 70's) and I did have mildly sweaty hands and did not note any black bleeding from the agrip material. I would tend to believe that it would be more likely for color bleeding to occur early on, rather than later. I would encourage you to contact agrip makers directly and pose your question or problem with bleeding black if you had experienced this in the past. Perhaps they have made a change to the product in recent years to correct it OR it is still a problem (unexperienced up to this time by me). I can not say if this will remain the case as the material ages, because it is only a few months old now.

My one son-in-law is a big time handgunner. He uses primarily full size handguns. He has used other pistol grip materials and this was the first time he saw/felt the agrip material or used my PM40. He was pleasantly surprised how nice the material works. Better yet, he was astonished at how little recoil (muzzle flip) he felt with the PM40. He expected much more. His first 6 rounds were all in the 10 ring at 7 yards. He outshot his Springfield XD with my little PM40 and CTL. I know he was surprised. As a defense, he told me that using the CTL is "cheating". I responded that in self defense when a guns are drawn, there is no such thing as cheating. I could see by his expression that he is considering a CTL. Ha ha. But by his words, he is going to get agrips on his handgun(s). He loved the agrip material.

I can say that the material is holding up great on the grip and the mag bases/extensions. It is ultra thin but seems to be mega tough and adheres well. I took my time installing the material and had cleaned things up well, so I believe this is a big part of the reason for it adhering so well.

Garyb, having walked two daughters down the isle, I can relate to the tears shed. For me it was during the father/daughter dance and the songs my girls picked for that occasion. You sir are allowed, it goes with the territory.

I had Agrip material on a CZ P-01 that I once had and really liked it. I never carried that IWB in Texas heat, hence my question. I think I might give it a try. I just hope I can get the stuff off the gun if I don't like it or it bleeds when I sweat on it IWB this summer.