Ammo Taylored To Micro Compacts

[RONDO]

I was asked about carry ammo in another thread and wondered what others use.
I use Hornady Critical Defense in my P380, PM9, PM40, & PM45. They have taylored this line of their ammo for short barreled micro compacts ... Google their site and check it out!
OBTW They have ballistics for both 4" & 3" barrels for .40 & .45

[Replay13]

That should be really good ammo.. I know the 115 gr Hornady XTP's feed really nice in the PM9.

[ripley16]

Speer makes the Short Barrel ammo too, made specifically for tiny guns.
http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/short_brl.aspx

[kahrseye]

I use Hornady for my PM9, and Hydra Shoks in my .40 and .45. Girlfriend uses Hyra Shoks in her P380.

[Tilos]

I think it's mostly marketing.

This has become common in marketing of any product.
A for instance would be, Tylenol, made as T sinus, T pm, T arthritis, T times release, etc.
So now instead of one bottle of Tylenol in your medicine cab you have 4 5 or 6.
With the FDA actually checking this stuff is formulated differently, it's still a money maker for J&J.

Now ammo such as this, without any FDA or ammo police, could simply be a different box!!
So you need short barrel ammo, regular carry ammo, practice ammo, etc.
Many boxes of "different" ammo for different guns/situations.
Hornady sells more and is happy.

One company makes both slow cookers and microwaves and convinces us we need both...marketing.

How many have a George Foreman grill gathering dust somewhere in the kitchen...did you buy the 2nd generation too?
You know it's better because marketing told us so.

just sayin'
Tilos

[ripley16]

I think it's mostly marketing.

In the case of the Speer it is different powder. The short barrel ammo is noticably different than their regular Gold Dot. The marketing part comes in by recognising the huge numbers of people buying small guns and developing a more suitable product. I applaud the change.

[wyntrout]

Speer short barrel... testing for ballistics; 124-gr 9mm uses 3.5" barrel and the .45 ACP 4" barrel. I do use the 9mm +P version in my PM9 and the Double Tap GD +P (125 or 124 grain) in my K9. The DT GD is no longer available... last time I checked.
I wonder if 3" barrels do the SB version justice... penetration, expansion, and ballistics.
They make a .22 magnum SB now.

Wynn

[Crusty]

Tilos, to some extent, I agree with you. But with ammo, any reloader knows there is a lot of tweaking that can be done for ballistics. Mainly bullet weight/shape and powder. And yes, barrel length makes a big difference. But in the end, the advertising can be quite swaying. So often times it all comes down to personal experience/choice. After doing a lot of reading and on-line searching, I liked the Critical defense and Winchester Ranger (LE) for my P380. Both function well except the Rangers don't like to feed as first out of the mag. So, I load one in the pipe with 3 Criticals at the top of the mag and 3 more Rangers in the bottom. Hopefully I never find out if I made the right/wrong choice. But I'm comfortable with it.
For my Para Carry .45, I've been using Winchester PDX just because they came with it when I bought it used. Not as concerned about the .45. Being hit by a freight train, you don't really worry about the color.

[jocko]

But in the end, the advertising can be quite swaying

truer words have never been spoken..... I just don't think a round is going toknow any difference in a 3.5" bbl vs a 4" bbl!

[earle8888]

Anybody on line have a Crono and the desire to fire some different ammo, short not so short an record data. Could be interesting! Volocity counts!

[jocko]

now that is cool , I just signed up and fired my ******** oops I seem to have lost you??

[Tilos]

Yes, I stepped into some stuff when I 1st came here by challenging all BS about trigger "feel".
You know the usual stuff..this feels longer than that, one at the gun store felt like this, yada, yada.
All I asked was for the people making these claims to measure the pull weight/pull length and wow that hit a nerve.

Simple things like: lay the gun on a piece of paper, and use a pencil to dry fire it. length of pencil line equals length of pull, simple enough.
You would have thought I asked to look at their W-2 or something.
I got things like, "I don't have a pull gage but I KNOW gun A is lighter/shorter than gun B".

As earl8888 said, A chrono test would be the answer on this ammo.
Anything else is just bovine scat.

[jocko]

tilos ur probalby right, Until we actually know how kahr measures their trigger travel, anything my testing done,, our yours could be different even theough they are exactly the same trigger systems. Just not sure how exact a science this is. I am sure from the internal measurments of the trigger bar, location of the trigger hole ect, that their math people could on paper tell us exactly how they arrived at this 3/8" or 1/2" trigger pull, over any trigger gauge, which at best is close but an 1/8" here or there would be hard to eliminate.

Naturally to some exact triggers due to trigger sprngs, striker springs can also be off. When kahr stares their trigger poundage is around 6-7.5# that in itself tells me that springs are not deadnuts on target. To most people this should really mean nadda, but like u stated, some people post to start an argument...
My J key is much harder to push thanmy N key. I have written to Dell to see what their specs are but so far they have not replied back. Those bustards are playing with my mind, I know they are, so I have forwarded this on to Bawanna, who I know as ourmoderator willget to the bottom of this. I think for sur ethe poundage onmy J key in relation to my N key is way off. Myw ifes keyboard is not like that and it is the same????

[Tilos]

Oh no, not again

That pencil test is accurate within a few .001 of and inch...try it.
Measure the line with a dial/digital caliper.
Simple enough for the doubters to measure THIER guns pull length.
It would take mear minutes to do it 10 times, then average the results.
This would END and answer ALL the "is mine an elite trigger?"...measure it and here's how.

Tilos

[Tilos]

I've done some research into this and today read, on another forum, about some further testing Speer had done independently, of it's short barrel ammo.
It seems thru testing, Speer found that heavy winter clothing affects the expansion of it's new short barrel ammo.
Speer will be revising the bullet design and start production of short barrel ammo for use in cold weather.
























I'm kidding...I'll shut up now.
Tilos