PM45 jams with NEW recoil spring???

[jocko]

Question to new style PM9 and PM45 owners. could your recoil assembly's possable be the same in coil count and size even? Meaning, would your PM9 outter recoil spring fit over the PM45 recoil rod assembly?

[Southern Guy]

This old boy is full off beans, Jocko, or they have changed something since I got mine about a month ago. With the full 15 coil spring that mine was sent with; I could'nt get the slide to lock or far enough back to chamber a round.

As you know; I'm no pilgrim when it comes to handguns. There is something here to get to the bottom of. The old spring was 13 coils as you have correctly stated many times and the new one was 15 coils. The 15 coil spring achieved coil bind in my PM45 before lock back.

I appreciate you taking an interest in this and pursuing it. Maybe they got a batch of out of spec springs or my pistol is out of spec; but it wouldn't function with the 15 coil spring. If Kahr stands behind this man's statement; I'm going to request a new spring and or assbly, because I don't want to carry a non factory spec pistol.

+1

I ordered the "old style" recoil spring assembly and when my slide wouldn't lock back I counted the coils and there were more on the spring they sent, both of them. I had ordered two new assemblies. Probably counted them 5 times a piece. The inter rod was the correct length, 2 3/8 but like I said the inter spring looked to be slightly bigger.

If they stick to that story they have something screwed up pretty bad, and they don't know it??? Bottom line is they are shipping out recoil springs that are to long therefor keeping the slide from locking back.

[jocko]

damn southern guy, can u photo these different springs for us. I will then forward it to the kahr "expert". I trust this forum people more than who I am talking to, but proof is in the puddin, they say..

counting both coils exactly the same way, what is your count for each???

I can tell u this much. I have 4 new old style PM9 springs and they are supposed to have 13 coils. I counted each one and I came up with 12 coils, but If I count the open end tip as a coil and the closed end end peace as a coil I get 13. Ihope you can understand what I am saying also..

[Bawanna]

That is the way my count worked also. Open end as a coil, closed end piece as a coil.

[jocko]

WE NEED GOOD PHOTOS OF VBOTH SPRINGS IN EXACT SAME POSITION FOR ALL TO SEE AND COUNT.

WHERE ARE OUR GREAT CAMERA GUYS WHEN WE NEED UM??

we could put this damn thing to rest with good photos of old vs new PM45 recdoil springs..

[Southern Guy]

Unfortunately I have already clipped the new recoil springs so the photos wouldn't show much if any difference.

I did stumble across something of interest, I figured I'd just buy another assembly and it would either be correct and work or I would have the proof. So I went to KARH's site to find the price had gone up about ten bucks. Curious, I did a little looking around and found two different "Old Style" recoil assemblies.........
Well, I at least found two with different prices???


http://www.kahr.com/Pistol-Parts/Kah...-Old-Style.asp


http://www.kahr.com/Pistol-Parts/Kah...-Old-Style.asp


I'm open to explanations...

[Bawanna]

I wish I had an explanation for you. They look to be the same thing to me. I'd like to order 3 or 4 of the 14 dollar ones before they all go to the 23 dollar price.
Maybe they are different prices for trailer trash like me and the expensive ones for you fellas with loot?

[jocko]

does

Unfortunately I have already clipped the new recoil springs so the photos wouldn't show much if any difference.

I did stumble across something of interest, I figured I'd just buy another assembly and it would either be correct and work or I would have the proof. So I went to KARH's site to find the price had gone up about ten bucks. Curious, I did a little looking around and found two different "Old Style" recoil assemblies.........
Well, I at least found two with different prices???


http://www.kahr.com/Pistol-Parts/Kah...-Old-Style.asp


http://www.kahr.com/Pistol-Parts/Kah...-Old-Style.asp


I'm open to explanations...

the word CLUSTERFOKK come to mind..

[MikeyKahr]

Kahr Ridiculousness

Maybe it's just me, but the fact that we can't get identical, straight answers (and actually we might get wrong answers) from Kahr CS when asking them simple questions seem fairly ridiculous. Sorry I can't help with PM45 pics, I've only got my PM9.

[Bawanna]

Maybe it's just me, but the fact that we can't get identical, straight answers (and actually we might get wrong answers) from Kahr CS when asking them simple questions seem fairly ridiculous. Sorry I can't help with PM45 pics, I've only got my PM9.

Sure you can help. Why don't you order up a new PM45. When it gets here and while performing the infamous Jocko Proper Prep measure the guide rod and count the coils. Maybe count the coils in the striker spring too for future reference.
Then you can take a picture of your new style PM45 and I'll take a picture of my Old style PM45 for comparison.
The world will be a much better place for your efforts and if the missus gives you a hard time about it you tell her Jocko said it was ok, approved, blessed and given the proceed notification.

More than one way to turn this alligator into sunday go to meeting holster.

[jocko]

Yup

Maybe it's just me, but the fact that we can't get identical, straight answers (and actually we might get wrong answers) from Kahr CS when asking them simple questions seem fairly ridiculous. Sorry I can't help with PM45 pics, I've only got my PM9.

ur right, until we can see photos of the old vs the new spring and can actually see a difference in coil count, we have to lean towards kahr possably being correct. I guess we can all be off a tad in our coil counts but photos side by side in the same position will produce the "proof in the puddin" stuff that we can then take and gently shove it where the sun doesn't shine in someone's ass at kahr. I have a hard time believeing they don't know what they are talking about especialy sinceI baggered them 3 times today about the same thing.

Us PM9 guys don't have that problem I knew there was a reason why i Didn't own a pM45

[Southern Guy]

Well, I'll know in a few days. I just ordered another one, and yes I ordered at the "trailer trash" price. Can't wait to see if it works and how many coils it has.

We'll get it solved yet.

[Bawanna]

I can't wait to see what you end up getting now. Kind of exciting for a recoil spring. I was thinking of ordering one too. Be really strange if we got different springs huh. Or better yet if I order the trailer trash one and got the rich people one by mistake. Not that would be funny right there.


Wait maybe the 10 dollar more one isn't for rich people, maybe its "TACTICAL" ya think?

[Southern Guy]

I can't wait to see what you end up getting now. Kind of exciting for a recoil spring. I was thinking of ordering one too. Be really strange if we got different springs huh. Or better yet if I order the trailer trash one and got the rich people one by mistake. Not that would be funny right there.


Wait maybe the 10 dollar more one isn't for rich people, maybe its "TACTICAL" ya think?

Nah, if it was "TACTICAL" it would have to be Matte Black and would cost $20 more.


I just wish Wolff would make a PM45 spring assembly so I could get that and be done with it.

[jocko]

all they need to do is make the outter spring like the offer for thePM9 old style slide users, like OL JOCKO SHOOTS.