How to get a clean mag drop on CM9/PM9

[Ubaldo99]

Jocko... Im right there with you 101%. If Im involved in a firefight (God forbid) and it goes beyond 6+1 then I dont figure to be among the quick anyway. Like you, I dont carry a spare mag. Im not looking to get into WWIII. Im too old to fight; too slow to run. Im not a fast draw artist; nor, am I a trick shot. I go to the target range for normal practice purposes. I carry concealed purely for personal protection purposes, and even that has its limitations. I try to practice situational awareness, and to be realistic about my own limitations.

[Popeye]

[QUOTE= I carry concealed purely for personal protection purposes, and even that has its limitations. I try to practice situational awareness, and to be realistic about my own limitations.[/QUOTE]

+1 That sort of thinking will do more for you than any pistol ever will.

[Scoundrel]

We're getting close to my viewpoint on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY...eature=related

The commenters bash this video on a number of points, and they are valid points. But still, I think it demonstrates its subject very well.

They did play mean tricks by having the subjects wear long, stretchy shirts, big gloves, and bulky headgear. But those things were needed to compensate for it not being a "real" scenario and to simulate the loss of fine motor skills and the tunnel vision.

If I was in a situation like this, I'd like to think that my instinct will be to hide first, then see about getting the gun out when/if it makes sense to do so.
Crowded room, someone comes in with gun in hand and already shooting, that's a bad time to try and pull a concealed gun.

...and then getting around to the topic of discussion: If I have successfully survived long enough to get cover, get my gun out, and strategically empty it, then I hope to also be able to pull the magazine out in such a way that the BG won't hear it clinking on the floor while I fumble for my next one. that's assuming I have a next one with me (most of the time I don't), because (and here's the next logical progression of the discussion) it's not convenient to carry an extra magazine all of the time. So I'd do my best to make the 7 shots I have with me count.

So to recap our hypothetical scenario:
BG bursts in, shooting.
I duck for cover and, finding myself still alive, carefully dig out my gun.
After waiting for my moment, it presents itself, and I pick my shots carefully.
Hopefully, at that point, I don't need any more bullets.

All of this is, of course, highly dependent on the situation, and you can poke as many holes in my "plan" as you can in a paper target at the range. And detailed discussions about what we could/would/will do in these situations is about as relevant to what will actually happen as putting holes in paper vs. putting holes in a BG.

[muggsy]

With a gun you have a chance. Without a gun you have none.

[ToneSurfer]

How does that size 3 Blackhawk fit? I'm looking for a holster and I think my Academy has those in stock (for cheap).

[ToneSurfer]

How does that size 3 Blackhawk fit? I'm looking for a holster and I think my Academy has those in stock (for cheap).

Answered my own question. I grabbed the Blackhawk size 3 at Academy. Fits just fine. I can't imagine going with a size 4, the gun would just get swallowed by the hoster. Size 3 fits perfect.

[Dustypuddle]

Wow Just recived my new cm9 today brought it home read the book. Then I Played with it unloaded and it took both my thumbs to realease the slide, They say there tight but is this normal. Im not a young buck at 57 but im no wus eather. I hope it will break in over time.

[ToneSurfer]

Wow Just recived my new cm9 today brought it home read the book. Then I Played with it unloaded and it took both my thumbs to realease the slide, They say there tight but is this normal. Im not a young buck at 57 but im no wus eather. I hope it will break in over time.

Word is that if you have an UNLOADED mag in the gun it makes it much harder to drop the slide with the slide release. If you had a mag in try it without and see if it makes a difference.

They will losen up with use. I'm a left and I drop the slide with the index finger of my shooting hand no problem.

[Thunder71]

The problem with my new magazines doesn't seem to be so much this, but the front to back dimensions - they squeeze in from front to the back, seems that's where the problem is (for me anyway).

[muggsy]

Most people think that they know how they will react in a high stress situation. What they think seldom reflects reality. The only thing that one can do is practice good gun handling/shooting techniques and hope that your training take over should the need arise. I carry a spare mag in a mag holster on my weak side. It's easier to conceal than my gun and weighs little. I hope that I never have to reach for it, but it's there if needed. I practice making mag changes as often as possible.

[muggsy]

How to;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFxgQmxbGI

[ToneSurfer]

Ok help me understand this perfectly.

Are you putting the entire top end of the mag into the vise? Hence when you squeeze it you are compressing the mag even across the four corners (front left, front right, rear left, rear right)? I.E. the corners get squished too.

OR

Are you pinching just the middle portion of the mag so that you are just bending effectively the sides of mag "in-between" the corners?

If I were to guess, I'd go with the first option as that would keep the feed lips and everything square. Option 2 I could see would end up "warping" the lips in between.

None of my mags drop free and I'm thinking of trying this out.

[claycooper]

squeeze the sides

Tonesurfer - I just did this and got perfect results.

I took pliers and firmly squeezed the wide (where the round indicator holes are) sides of the magazine from the base all the way up to the lips, with a bit more pressure on the lips.

At first I did it too much on the sides near the top and the follower got stuck right near the top. This will lead the the magazine not popping out easily because the follower is stuck at the top and the spring wont decompress well. The spring decompression gives the magazine the initial "pop" to get it going. Also, you will know you did the lips too much if you get FTF because the round is getting stuck at the lips. I did that at first too. I then went back and used pliers to gently open the lips until the follower moved freely and the rounds fed and voila! Drops freely and feeds perfectly! Even slingshotting at the slowest possible speed chambers a round every time. Before the mod I could barely pull the mag out.

[Pappy]

Joe L......

Im a little confused on which base plates and retainers you used on your 6 round mags for the CM9.....I really like the way they look and fit...

Did you use....CW40 base plates and retainers or CW9 base plates and retainers...

Sorry Im new at this.........But Im gonna do it...

[Joe L]

I think they were CW9 but I'm not sure the 40s aren't the same. Check the Kahr site and compare the parts numbers. Glad I could help. Mine are still working perfectly.
Joe