PM9 Any Changes 2006 & 2011

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I'm glad to hear that I did the right thing. Once SS said it was OK and that they could sell that gun for that price everyday it made it much easier for me to go with the new one.

Another question: for $40 more I can get the slide in black. Is this a desirable option? I know that some hate the two tone. I have two Sigs two tone and the G26 total black.

[JFootin]

Have you considered the CM9? It is every bit the same quality gun as the PM9, minus some things that you will never miss. Ask jocko. They are getting great reports and he recommends that you save yourself a lot of money tht you can spend on a couple of mags and nice IWB and pocket holsters!

[jocko]

NO doubt

I'm glad to hear that I did the right thing. Once SS said it was OK and that they could sell that gun for that price everyday it made it much easier for me to go with the new one.

Another question: for $40 more I can get the slide in black. Is this a desirable option? I know that some hate the two tone. I have two Sigs two tone and the G26 total black.

in my mind I would go for the dlc finish. It is durable as hell, looks nice. U did the right thing and your police price sure sounded good to me. Had it not been for such a nice price,m I would have surley recommended the cm9 for around $400.

[mightymouse]

I must comment on the Wolffs recoil spring and the new PM9 slide. I phoned Wolffs and asked about their PM9 recoil spring kit. I mentioned the old and new slide and 2 coil difference, 13 vs. 15. The Wolffs rep. said it will work just fine and I can't go by the number of coils. If it does not function properly, phone them and they will correct it or issue a refund or credit.

I purchased 2 sets. It takes about 10 min. to replace the springs and then just wait for the lock tite to dry. I have over 1200 rnds. with the Wolffs 20.5# setup and the pistol is 100% reliable.

In conclusion, regardless of other comments and opinions I have the PM9 newer slide and the Wolffs 20.5# springs installed and it functions fine.

Am I the only person on this site that has tried this set up?

This is good to know. Being a gear head, car guy first I'm miffed by spring lengths a bit longer shorter, a few more coils etc, not working. Length often has zip to do with spring rate, the actual tension applied to the mechanism. I've added shorter overall length and had my car sit higher, longer can be soft as butter, etc. Seems as long as there is no coil bind or stacking, the physical contact of all coils into a solid mass, then experiment away. This would be easy to measure before trying.

[TucsonMTB]

Another question: for $40 more I can get the slide in black. Is this a desirable option? I know that some hate the two tone. I have two Sigs two tone and the G26 total black.

If you prefer all black guns, it's a useful option. The surface of the DLC is rougher to the touch than untreated stainless, almost like parkerizing.

I have two PM40's one is two tone (untreated stainless slide) the other is black DLC (Diamond Like Carbon, I believe is Kahr's term).

When cleaning out the striker channel on the DLC gun the brake cleaner spray degreases the slide leaving it dark gray until it is oiled again. Paper towels catch and leave particles on the surface of the DLC. A soft tee shirt works better for the final run down. It is easier to grip DLC when racking the slide (but not enough to matter).

Overall, unless black is important, the regular stainless finish seems easier to care for. Mine only has two places where the black has worn off, the end of the slide stop shaft and a very small but noticeable scratch on the front of the slide that I cannot account for. My stainless gun with twice the rounds looks like new. Your mileage may vary . . .

Disclaimer: I happen to like shiny stainless guns. Not everyone does. The DLC gun is "growing on me". I have a blackening kit on order from Caswell's plating to handle the small marks in the future.

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JFootin: for some reason the law enforcement price on the CM9 was only $100 cheaper, even though the MSRP is $200 more for the PM.
That $100 more for the PM gets me a lot. A second mag, all the cosmetic differences that make it a PM series and well it's a PM not a CM!

[Jitterbug]

My older 2004 model has the Black coating, personally I prefer Black, and I must say it is very robust, after 7 years of pocket carry and banging around as an all the time CCW the finish is still like new. Can't say the same for the night sights, which is a different finish and the black has worn off them.

When we purchased the wife's new PM9 she went with the stainless, the retail savings was about $70 and she just had to be different. I think the Bi-tone is sharp too, can't go wrong with either in my mind.

I think you made a good choice on the new.

[E the B]

IMO and this is just my opinion,,,, I have the blunt nose version PM9 like yours and I would not trade mine for 3 new version PM9 with the beveled slides !!

Now Jocko, you're obviously one of the top PM9 gurus here and I don't want to disrespect you TOO much, but if someone offers you three new models for your your older PM9, and you DON'T take them, I'll support you for President of the new Kahr "More Money than Sense Club."

IMO and this is just my opinion . . .

E the B

[jocko]

probably right. more like 2 new kahrs with beveled slides. and I do have more money than brains, which isn't much either. But I truly do not like the new slides and I am in the process of trading my good friend out of his blunt nose PM9 that he bought used and never shoots it. Thats what happens when one gets older in life, they get set in their ways. I just alwasy wondered WHY kahr even did it. I never heard of one compaint on the looks of the kahr slides. so so similar to glocks slides, and I realize .20" is not much to talk about , but again, it is .20" longer than my PM9 and as u know .20 here and .20 there adds up0 to .40 and so on.

course as u know I am the minority in my opinion ... oh and I truly hate kahrs PM9 extened round magazine, but again it is my minority opinion-maybe...

[MBFD]

Jocko is it just the beveled nose you don't like about the new ones?

I haven't got my money from SS yet - will do that Monday - so the pistol is still mine if I want it. It seems most (including you) think I'm doing the right thing getting the new for $560.
Kind of surprised for that price ($460) I had NO takers on passing it on. If I pass up on it I would think you could contact SS directly and deal with them. It also comes with a Kahr pocket holster.

[jocko]

ur ding right in buying new, the price of the used PKM9 IMO is excellent but u basically have no warranty and whether u use if or need it, you have it in the new price. Yes to me it is just the beveled slide and as I stated it could be just my stubbornuss and old age to that I don't like change for change sake. I see no advantage in what kahr did, none that would ever convince me anyhow, some said maybe easier to holster. B. S. glocks have been being holsters for years witht he same blunt nose version, why change what works. But yes buy new when ever u can. Did u by any chance get to see and feel the kahr cm9 and do they offer a good police price on the cm9 kahrs by any chance. Just one super little gun.
Some also feel the blunt nose style is now old school and willnot buy it if they know about it, as if you ever had to have the slide rpelaced it wold be with the new style beveled version and that would also require a new barrel and recoil assembly so replaement would be expensive is such a thing had to happen. YUP BUY NEW.

[jocko]

ur doing right in buying new, the price of the used PM9 IMO is excellent but u basically have no warranty and whether u use if or need it, you have it in the new price. Yes to me it is just the beveled slide and as I stated it could be just my stubbornuss and old age to that I don't like change for change sake. I see no advantage in what kahr did, none that would ever convince me anyhow, some said maybe easier to holster. B. S. glocks have been being holsters for years witht he same blunt nose version, why change what works. But yes buy new when ever u can. Did u by any chance get to see and feel the kahr cm9 and do they offer a good police price on the cm9 kahrs by any chance. Just one super little gun.
Some also feel the blunt nose style is now old school and willnot buy it if they know about it, as if you ever had to have the slide rpelaced it wold be with the new style beveled version and that would also require a new barrel and recoil assembly so replaement would be expensive is such a thing had to happen. YUP BUY NEW.

[MBFD]

Read back a couple - and see abut the CM9

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Jocko - I went to Kahrs site to see the diff. in slides. I look at all the PM9's and they all have the blunt nose - it's not till I get to the CM9 do I see the beveled nose.
Is it just the CM that is beveled?

[jocko]

no, it is just kahrs webb site is using old pictures on new model guns. tells me that also some inside people don't know what is really going on sometimes. ALL PM9 AND PM40 kahrs now come with the beveled slide, like ur seeing in the cm9 photo.