PM9 Any Changes 2006 & 2011

[MikeyKahr]

New PM9s beveled too...

Jocko - I went to Kahrs site to see the diff. in slides. I look at all the PM9's and they all have the blunt nose - it's not till I get to the CM9 do I see the beveled nose.
Is it just the CM that is beveled?

MBFD, the newer PM9s are beveled too. http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t...ight=style+pm9

[TucsonMTB]

no, it is just kahrs webb site is using old pictures on new model guns. tells me that also some inside people don't know what is really going on sometimes. ALL PM9 AND PM40 kahrs now come with the beveled slide, like ur seeing in the cm9 photo.

Here's a more recent picture, borrowed from a GunBroker ad.

[jocko]

good man tucson, nice photo..

[TucsonMTB]

good man tucson, nice photo..

Thanks, Jocko! Ya' know, I also wish Kahr hadn't messed with the slide design. Yeah, I like my PM40's with their beveled front . . . but no more than the older design. Guess I am just an old curmudgeon myself.

[t4terrific]

...order the outter springs from wolfffs gunsprings in the factory wieight of 18# or the little stronger version of 20.5#.

What is the benefit of using the heavier recoil spring? Can changing spring weight hurt the reliability of a PM9 that has been flawless to date?

[jocko]

some feel (like me) that little heavier spring is kinder to the gun, might be totally false. If u having no faults with the factory spring, indeed just stay with it and if u have the blunt noSe PM9 or pM40 u can just order from wolffs the outter spring,and buy in quantites of 3 or more and the price gets cheaper. Recoil springs are cheap in price, so replace as u feel the need. My comments on the 20.5# is mine no gospel as u well know. Wolffs offers that little extra weight for the old style PM9 and PM40. I shoot um, i LIKE UM, BUT MY kAHR IS MAGNA PORTED so felt recoil is kinda mute with me theory above.

certainly if ur gonna shoot hot ass loads all the time thed 20.5# spring should last longer also

[JFootin]

some feel (like me) that little heavier spring is kinder to the gun, might be totally false. If u having no faults with the factory spring, indeed just stay with it and if u have the blunt noSe PM9 or pM40 u can just order from wolffs the outter spring,and buy in quantites of 3 or more and the price gets cheaper. Recoil springs are cheap in price, so replace as u feel the need. My comments on the 20.5# is mine no gospel as u well know. Wolffs offers that little extra weight for the old style PM9 and PM40. I shoot um, i LIKE UM, BUT MY kAHR IS MAGNA PORTED so felt recoil is kinda mute with me theory above.

certainly if ur gonna shoot hot ass loads all the time thed 20.5# spring should last longer also

jocko, I have a couple of questions:

• Can I put the 18# spring in my new CM9? (The reason I am asking is because my hands and wrists are partly paralyzed, and I almost need machinery to help rack my slide. My brawnier older brother can't hardly do it, either.)
• If I can and do this, should I avoid all +p ammo? Or not worry about it because Kahrs are made to handle +p ammo, and I am not going to be putting 1000s of rounds through it like you?
• I still have to do the break-in on this gun. Will the spring loosen up noticeably anyway?

[jocko]

u have trhe 18# in ur cm9 now. , u can't buy them from wolffs yet but your kahr factory srpings in the cm9 and PM9 (beveled slides) are the same . ur good to go. I trust with more rounds out of the gun it will get easier (somewhat). Kahrs are tight, I credit some of that to maybe such a short caspotice dual recoil assembly also and just also the nature of kahrs.

U have an issue that really IMO can't be addressed to, so for damn sure ur gonna need that slide lock lever as often as u can. Hell no shoot +P ammo, ur kahr and recoil springs are built for it. 99% don't change tothe heavier poundage of 20.5# and certainly all the new beveled slide kahr owners be they PM9 PM40 or CM9 can't go up in poundage anyhow as nobody makes the outter springs for the kahrs.

Think about this. All PM9 and PM40 hyav ethe same facoty 18# recoil springin them and the 40 cal is alot more felt recoil than the PM9 and no one complains. Ur good to go with what is in your cm9 and u should get a couple thousand rounds easily out of the recoil springs before thinking of replacing it. The sad thing right now is that cm9 owners alone with the new beveled longer PM9 and PM40 ownersw have no choice right now but to buy the ENTIRE RECOIL assembly from kahr at a price of around $25. A shame because at one time kahr used to sell us the outter springs only, as that is really all that needs changed,, for I think about 8 bucks. Wolffs makes kahrs recoil springs and my bet that eventually Wolffs will offer the outter recoil spring for the longer slide kahrs. They don't seem to get in a hurry though, so I amsaying maybe a year ot two down the road, when more cm9 and PM9 and PM40- new style get popular.

ur good to go, just shoot it like u stole it.


addition: since the above I have written to kahr asking why they will not just sell the outter recoil springs for all the PM9, pM40 and the CM9, as I felt it was a rip off to force us to buy the entire assembly when at one timne they use dto sell the old style slide owners the PM9 and PM40. My reply back was that they 'WILL LOOK INTO IT" So take that to the bank but don't expect alot of interest back from it. I think that is a kind way of saying jocko, "stuff it". its our business we will do what we want..

I tried!!:32:

[JFootin]

u have trhe 18# in ur cm9 now. , u can't buy them from wolffs yet but your kahr factory srpings in the cm9 and PM9 (beveled slides) are the same . ur good to go. I trust with more rounds out of the gun it will get easier (somewhat). Kahrs are tight, I credit some of that to maybe such a short caspotice dual recoil assembly also and just also the nature of kahrs.

U have an issue that really IMO can't be addressed to, so for damn sure ur gonna need that slide lock lever as often as u can. Hell no shoot +P ammo, ur kahr and recoil springs are built for it. 99% don't change tothe heavier poundage of 20.5# and certainly all the new beveled slide kahr owners be they PM9 PM40 or CM9 can't go up in poundage anyhow as nobody makes the outter springs for the kahrs.

Think about this. All PM9 and PM40 hyav ethe same facoty 18# recoil springin them and the 40 cal is alot more felt recoil than the PM9 and no one complains. Ur good to go with what is in your cm9 and u should get a couple thousand rounds easily out of the recoil springs before thinking of replacing it. The sad thing right now is that cm9 owners alone with the new beveled longer PM9 and PM40 ownersw have no choice right now but to buy the ENTIRE RECOIL assembly from kahr at a price of around $25. A shame because at one time kahr used to sell us the outter springs only, as that is really all that needs changed,, for I think about 8 bucks. Wolffs makes kahrs recoil springs and my bet that eventually Wolffs will offer the outter recoil spring for the longer slide kahrs. They don't seem to get in a hurry though, so I amsaying maybe a year ot two down the road, when more cm9 and PM9 and PM40- new style get popular.

ur good to go, just shoot it like u stole it.


addition: since the above I have written to kahr asking why they will not just sell the outter recoil springs for all the PM9, pM40 and the CM9, as I felt it was a rip off to force us to buy the entire assembly when at one timne they use dto sell the old style slide owners the PM9 and PM40. My reply back was that they 'WILL LOOK INTO IT" So take that to the bank but don't expect alot of interest back from it. I think that is a kind way of saying jocko, "stuff it". its our business we will do what we want..

I tried!!:32:

Thanks a bunch, jocko!

[t4terrific]

I would suggest u buy an extra flush fit magazine kand use the extended magazine for range use, . Some haveissues with thgat 7 round magazine so be alterted to that and if u do,u can call kahr and ask to send it back in exchange for a round mag.

I don't like the seven round magazines. I carry my PM9 in my front pocket, so the longer mag is useless there. For practice, using the longer mag would change my grip on the pistol. So, it's useless for practice. I figured the 7 rounder would be useful to carry in my other pocket, or glove box as a spare, but so many say they have feed issues using it.

All that made it useless to me. I called Kahr, and Ian told me to send it to the address on the back of the operator's manual. They then sent me a new 6 round mag (I would call it a flush fit, but Kahr's mags don't fit flush...unfortunately). They traded me a wasted mag for a useful one. Considering the $30+ price tag, and lack of inventory at Central Florida Gun Shops, on the 6 rounder, I must say it was a great deal.

Now, wouldn't it be great if someone like Wilson Combat would actually build a high quality magazine for the Kahr PM/CM9 pistols? Their 1911 mags are absolutely amazing, and Kahr's mags pretty much suck anyway.

[jocko]

I'm not sure kahrs magazines suck. other than that what u stated is deadon target. they would be betteroff giving a PM9 buiyter two flush fit mag and let him decide if he want the 7 rounder, . Most kahr owners have no issues with their magazines, what does, kahr takes care of...

kahr did u right with the exchange.

[TucsonMTB]

So far as I have seen, none of the Wilson Combat magazines are flush fit in anything they are designed for.

In fact, with their large base plates, most stick out much more than most of Kahr's magazines.

Yes, I would pay good money for a Kahr PM series magazine that fit flush in the grip and matched the grip's shape for a smooth appearance and pocket draw. Although some people here have done great things with adapted 1911 magazines for the .45 ACP Kahr pistols, I am not holding my breath that it will ever happen for the PM series in 9mm and .40 S&W. Oh, well. Most of us get along OK with the available products.

[t4terrific]

My Wilson Combat 1911 mags don't fit flush. They extend slightly, then add the thick base.

With the Kahr mag, I'm not as worried about it fitting "flush" as I am worried about them not fitting snug. There is too much gap between the baseplate and the end of the grip. The magazine moves around too much in the grip, up and down, and side to side. I would love to have a baseplate that snugs the mag up with the grip.

Also, the followers are brittle. I know first hand how brittle the followers are. My PM9 came with a broken follower. I removed it and was able to further snap it with my finger tips.

Finally, the magazine doesn't secure the top round well enough. It is allowed to move around in the magazine a lot. Too much, I think.

With my PM9, the ONLY complaint I've ever had has been magazine related. Otherwise, I don't believe there is a better comparable pistol on the market. I've shot a bunch of the competition, and wouldn't trade my PM9 for any of them.

I've always been a little torn on the MK9 though. I love all steel pistols. I chose the PM9 for the weight reduction. I do feel that I'm missing something on the durability, when comparing PM/MK9's, but it's a necessary trade for me. My PM9 rests in my pocket nearly every hour of the day.