The real reason NYPD disallowed Kahrs for off duty!

[FLBri]

This whole topic is one of the best advertisements for the preservation of the 2nd amendment ... as opposed to abandoning your rights to a "higher authority" that has "your best interest" at heart.

It bears repeating over and over ...
"When seconds count, the police are only a minute away."

[JFootin]

This whole topic is one of the best advertisements for the preservation of the 2nd amendment ... as opposed to abandoning your rights to a "higher authority" that has "your best interest" at heart.

It bears repeating over and over ...
"When seconds count, the police are only a minute away."

That's why they call themselves progressives, because every time they pass laws and create rules that exert more control over our lives, they consider it progress.

[Ubaldo99]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

[jocko]

humm

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

good question, maybe people are alot bigger than a 100 years ago

[CJB]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

That was at a time when most human beings, regardless of their criminal nature or misfortune, still retained the moral decency and self worth to abandon their flight or hostility after being perforated by the said .32 caliber projectile.

Its called the inverse caliber postulate.

Whereby, the less moral fibre and self worth the shootee has, the greater the caliber the shooter must use in order to end the proceedings in a brisk manner.

[Big_John_1961]

good point. but I really think the NYPD would not allow burgers to be served in thier department without some fokking NYPD criteria appllied to it. U know something like all NYPD cafeteria burgers must be able to take a 9mm round at 10 yards without falling apart. It must have aq bite strength before starting to crumble apart of at least 15 jaw pounds. One must be able to crap it and it remain 98% fully intact. Just sayin!!!

U know they have mental issues there for I am told that their NYPD restrooms have above every toilet paper rack a sign that says. "Fold, do not wad, wipe only once, do not try to use it again, let it drop. damn truth, trust ol jocko!!

[guido4198]

Just cause the NYPD carries guns doesn't mean there gun people. Probably the only time they fire them is when they have to ,to qualify to some sort of minimal standards. .....There loss.

WE HAVE A WINNER...!!!
Remember...this is the Police Dept. that already doesn't want YOU to be able to DEFEND YOURSELF.
NYC is so screwed up,(at least when I was there last) you couldn't carry a concealed handgun there if you're a BADGED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER from another city in New York State.

[hss.strat]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

...Sorry, what now? Are you advocating going to 32 caliber pistols with 13 lb trigger pulls?


Anyway, NYPD attempt to avoid litigation by adding new rules. That way when someone puts a bullet into their wall because they tried to clean the gun before clearing it, NYPD can say "Well we made it as difficult as possible!" ... now they're lawsuit proof .

[Krusty]

You can't fix stupid.....

[Retlawman590]

good question, maybe people are alot bigger than a 100 years ago

Actually, they are. I've had my share of dealing with 300lb BGs in my career. Also, if any of these guys are on PCP, you feel like you are dealing with a super human.

[jocko]

PCP = Perfect condom placement??? right or did I miss something??

[kayl]

WE HAVE A WINNER...!!!
Remember...this is the Police Dept. that already doesn't want YOU to be able to DEFEND YOURSELF.
NYC is so screwed up,(at least when I was there last) you couldn't carry a concealed handgun there if you're a BADGED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER from another city in New York State.

Not true AFAIK.
I know that officers from any other state in the union can legally carry in NYC under LESOA, I don't know about the New York officers specifically

[ORSalesRep]

A hundred years ago (and less) many people, including LEO's, thought the 32 caliber bullet adequate to their needs. Has so much changed in the last 100 years that we now feel the need to use hand-cannons to bring down a human being? Just curious.

Yes, but there was once a time that people believed the world was flat and over time, that was proved to be incorrect too.

[tv_racin_fan]

Nothing wrong with a 32 caliber bullet today. I sure don't want to be shot with a 327 magnum... but then I don't want to be shot with a bb gun either.

[dkmatthews]

The officers ought to be mad as hell that the department is taking a reliable and effective tool out of their hands -- just like all U.S. citizens ought to be mad as hell when government restricts our access to guns of a given type or brand!