Off Leash Dogs

[Tinman507]

I'm past the 50% mark with talking my wife into getting her LTCF and maybe carrying. She enjoys shooting but she's still afraid of carrying. she hates my CM9. She's held a few revolvers and seems to be headed that direction.

My daughter is another whole story. I want her to get her LTCF and begin carrying as soon as she turns 21. Almost exactly the same day she'll be moving to main campus of Penn State to finish her degree. She LOVES my CM9 and shoots it very well. So I may be losing my lil friend. Just means maybe old dad will have to find the K9 Elite he's been lusting after.

[JFootin]

well that is good to know. have u tested a 9mm square on a dogs nose to see if it doesn't effect him either. Just sayin.

9mm is too weak. You need at least a 40 for a large dog. Better to use a 45 if you have one.

I think a Judge or Governor would do the trick! :53:

[AJBert]

I'll be the first on here the admit that I do have a dog that you wouldn't want coming after you off leash. He is a pound rescue we got at the ripe old age of 10 weeks and was raised to not trust strangers.

He learned well.

He has always been fenced and/or in the house. We can't have company over with him in the house. He has bitten one person, a little 10 year old girl, our neighbor, who came into the house without my wife or myself around. Spent 10 days in the pokie for that. The dog, not me.

Funny thing is, he has gotten out of the back yard a couple of times, along with the other two dogs (one being a German Shepard). The few times he go out we got him back before he came across anyone in the neighborhood. The one time we didin't we found him in a neighbor's back yard, with the lady of the house giving him treats.

She knew we kept our dogs fenced up and called him over. I was more than shocked and/or amazed she was still alive. I've come to the conclusion that he will protect to the death his family and his property. If he is on a leash (which he is every time we take him for a walk) please don't try to approach us. Don't come on our property unless we know before hand and can put him in a room or out back.

Truly, he is the best I could have wanted to protect my wife when I was out at sea over the years. He doesn't like people but he loves other dogs.

And I would never blame anyone for putting a bullet in him if he had came after them when he got out. I know what kind of dog I have and I take every precaution to keep him for the general public.

Yes, I do love my mutt. More so than my kids.

[TriggerMan]

I'll be the first on here the admit that I do have a dog that you wouldn't want coming after you off leash. He is a pound rescue we got at the ripe old age of 10 weeks and was raised to not trust strangers.

He learned well.

He has always been fenced and/or in the house. We can't have company over with him in the house. He has bitten one person, a little 10 year old girl, our neighbor, who came into the house without my wife or myself around. Spent 10 days in the pokie for that. The dog, not me.

Funny thing is, he has gotten out of the back yard a couple of times, along with the other two dogs (one being a German Shepard). The few times he go out we got him back before he came across anyone in the neighborhood. The one time we didin't we found him in a neighbor's back yard, with the lady of the house giving him treats.

She knew we kept our dogs fenced up and called him over. I was more than shocked and/or amazed she was still alive. I've come to the conclusion that he will protect to the death his family and his property. If he is on a leash (which he is every time we take him for a walk) please don't try to approach us. Don't come on our property unless we know before hand and can put him in a room or out back.

Truly, he is the best I could have wanted to protect my wife when I was out at sea over the years. He doesn't like people but he loves other dogs.

And I would never blame anyone for putting a bullet in him if he had came after them when he got out. I know what kind of dog I have and I take every precaution to keep him for the general public.

Yes, I do love my mutt. More so than my kids.

What if he gets out and comes after a child without a gun? Can you live with that?

[JFootin]

I'll be the first on here the admit that I do have a dog that you wouldn't want coming after you off leash. He is a pound rescue we got at the ripe old age of 10 weeks and was raised to not trust strangers.

He learned well.

He has always been fenced and/or in the house. We can't have company over with him in the house. He has bitten one person, a little 10 year old girl, our neighbor, who came into the house without my wife or myself around. Spent 10 days in the pokie for that. The dog, not me.

Funny thing is, he has gotten out of the back yard a couple of times, along with the other two dogs (one being a German Shepard). The few times he go out we got him back before he came across anyone in the neighborhood. The one time we didin't we found him in a neighbor's back yard, with the lady of the house giving him treats.

She knew we kept our dogs fenced up and called him over. I was more than shocked and/or amazed she was still alive. I've come to the conclusion that he will protect to the death his family and his property. If he is on a leash (which he is every time we take him for a walk) please don't try to approach us. Don't come on our property unless we know before hand and can put him in a room or out back.

Truly, he is the best I could have wanted to protect my wife when I was out at sea over the years. He doesn't like people but he loves other dogs.

And I would never blame anyone for putting a bullet in him if he had came after them when he got out. I know what kind of dog I have and I take every precaution to keep him for the general public.

Yes, I do love my mutt. More so than my kids.

You've admitted here that he gets out at times, how dangerous he is and how he has already bitten a child. If you are going to be a responsible citizen and a good neighbor, you need to take that dog to the pound. Otherwise, you are part of the problem, not the solution. And next time he bites someone, you should go to jail.

[AJBert]

He has only bitten one person INSIDE our house WITHOUT a parent around. The girl's parents knew she should have never come into the house without my wife or I there.

He has gotten out a total of three times in over 12 years, do to human error on our part, not because he "tried" to get out.

When he was a pup we used to bring him down to a dog beach in San Diego. He never had a problem with people as long as he was off leash. On leash, he didn't want anyone approaching us.

I believe we have done a very good job of "controlling" him. Once he knows a person, he loves them unconditionally.

And, no, I did not go to jail because he bit someone entering my house unbeknownst to my wife or I. He is now going on 13 and has been one of the best and by far the smartest dog I've ever owned.

Please don't try to tell me I should go to jail for my dog protecting my house and family, regardless of the age of the person. I dare ANYONE to teach a guard dog to distinguish between age.

I was trying to state I understand both sides of the equation. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[Krusty]

I'll spray fidos owner with mace and take his dog to join my two for a nice walk!

[TriggerMan]

He has only bitten one person INSIDE our house WITHOUT a parent around. The girl's parents knew she should have never come into the house without my wife or I there.

He has gotten out a total of three times in over 12 years, do to human error on our part, not because he "tried" to get out.

When he was a pup we used to bring him down to a dog beach in San Diego. He never had a problem with people as long as he was off leash. On leash, he didn't want anyone approaching us.

I believe we have done a very good job of "controlling" him. Once he knows a person, he loves them unconditionally.

And, no, I did not go to jail because he bit someone entering my house unbeknownst to my wife or I. He is now going on 13 and has been one of the best and by far the smartest dog I've ever owned.

Please don't try to tell me I should go to jail for my dog protecting my house and family, regardless of the age of the person. I dare ANYONE to teach a guard dog to distinguish between age.

I was trying to state I understand both sides of the equation. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Someone could die. Someone's child.

Someone else could lose a lifetime's worth of assets, including the house. That someone is you.

[AJBert]

Someone could die. Someone's child.

Someone else could lose a lifetime's worth of assets, including the house. That someone is you.

So, by your reasoning, it is ok for me to protect my family and belongings with a firearm but my dog is not allowed to protect the same?

I'm confused...

[Scoundrel]

So, by your reasoning, it is ok for me to protect my family and belongings with a firearm but my dog is not allowed to protect the same?

I'm confused...

These guys are being hard-core, and you came out on a subject that is a sore spot for them.
Just tell yourself they're being kind of extreme, which is fine for them but not your problem, and let it go.

[TriggerMan]

So, by your reasoning, it is ok for me to protect my family and belongings with a firearm but my dog is not allowed to protect the same?

I'm confused...

You are correct...in part.

What you are doing with the dog is more akin to leaving a loaded semi on your front step.

With the gun, YOU actually do have it under your control. Still, you are legally responsible for every bullet your fire.

There's a right way to use a gun for SD, there's also a wrong way. Same for dog ownership. You are clinging to the wrong way, or at least the wrong dog.

[TriggerMan]

These guys are being hard-core, and you came out on a subject that is a sore spot for them.
Just tell yourself they're being kind of extreme, which is fine for them but not your problem, and let it go.

I'd prefer speak for myself, thank you.

Looking out for the safety of children isn't extreme. I have no sore spot as I don't live close to Baton Rouge.

[Popeye]

I'm a dog type of person. I have two. However I'm well aware that it's my responsibility to make sure there under my control at all times. weather it be in my back yard or on a leash. If I choose to walk them without a leash or they get out of my back yard and they come in contact with someone who feels threatened by there actions then that's on me. A person has the right to protect themselves and family as they see fit, just as my dogs have the right to protect my home if someone should feel the need to invade there space. I do not advocate shooting any animal unless it absolutely nessesary. I much rather spray them with pepper spray. However if a big dog like a Pitbull,Rotty,Akita,or German Shepard,etc. came after me or a member of my family for no reason, yes I would shoot that dog without any reservations or remorse, as the owner should have his dog under control just like mine are.

[knkali]

I'm a dog type of person. I have two. However I'm well aware that it's my responsibility to make sure there under my control at all times. weather it be in my back yard or on a leash. If I choose to walk them without a leash or they get out of my back yard and they come in contact with someone who feels threatened by there actions then that's on me. A person has the right to protect themselves and family as they see fit, just as my dogs have the right to protect my home if someone should feel the need to invade there space. I do not advocate shooting any animal unless it absolutely nessesary. I much rather spray them with pepper spray. However if a big dog like a Pitbull,Rotty,Akita,or German Shepard,etc. came after me or a member of my family for no reason, yes I would shoot that dog without any reservations or remorse, as the owner should have his dog under control just like mine are.

Couldnt ask any more from a dog owner with this view. Spot on.

[knkali]

That's a good topic to pursue. How DOES law enforcement react to people using pepper spray against each other? I mean, we know how they reacted to that dude in the superhero outfit in downtown Seattle, but he had it coming.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...es-2210657.php

But seriously, if some jack-hole gets all up in my face because I asked him not to breathe down my neck while I'm using the ATM, and I hit him with pepper spray, and someone calls the cops, what's going to happen next?

you would get sued for the emergency room visit costs and any pain and suffering. Also you would probably be arrested for A and B which your attorney would try to plead down.