Apocalyptic Scenario #1

[wyntrout]

Well, I DID get an All-Weather model Ruger 10/22 Carbine with 18.5" stainless barrel and synthetic, checkered stock, weighing just a smidgen under 4.5 lbs.

Now I need to lay in a supply of ammo, including some sub-sonic stuff. Lessee... 3 rounds a day for hunting... for 10 years = 3 X 10 X 365.25 = 10,957.5 rounds. I have 1K Stingers on the way, so I need another 10K in .22LR and I'll have ONE caliber covered.

Seriously talking with Wifey, I worry that something might happen while she's at work... 9 miles from home. If it's an EMP attack, I'm thinking that it would be good for her to have a compact, folding bike in the trunk of her car. She will need to get on the road and get home A.S.A.P. It won't take the bad guys long to figure that the cops can't talk on phones or radios or get anywhere with all electronic stuff knocked out. It's kind of hard to coordinate anything without communication more sophisticated than YELLING, or any transportation other than bikes or pre-1958 or so cars! That would be a well-spent couple of hundred bucks... for the bike. A woman on foot and unarmed won't last long in any scenario.

Then I run up against some things the book One Second After brought up... I'm a type 2 diabetic and get my meds for 90 days at a time. It won't be QUITE as bad as type 1 needing insulin, but that will definitely be a problem if things really go to hell. I will REALLY have to watch what I eat... when I can get something!

Wynn

[wyntrout]

Well, I still need to get some more 25-round mags for the Ruger, but I have a bit on ammo on the way... 4,200 Fed CPHP, 1,000 Stingers, 2,000 Rem Subsonic HP, and 2,000 CCI Quik Shok Subsonic... about 9,200... so far... debating more Mini Mags, when the Federal 525 packs are cheaper.

Next the compact, folding bike for my wife.

I did update my insurance for guns and magazines, but strangely, USAA won't insure ammunition!

Wynn

[wyntrout]

I posted some pictures of the Remington Subsonic and Colibrě firing... kind of spread stuff here and there.

Post #25

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?p=146498#post146498


Wynn

[mr surveyor]

Wyn.... you actually fired Colibri's through a rifle length barrel?

[wyntrout]

I fired somewhere between 15 and 20, I think... at home and the range I was careful that a hole appeared in the target each time and if there was any doubt I pushed a cleaning rod through the barrel... or blew the smoke from the open breech out the barrel. Those things are too short to feed from at least one of my two 10-round Ruger mags... at the range. I single shot them from the mag by working the bolt manually at home, but that stopped working at the range. You really can't tell if you're just dry firing.

It's a short barrel... just 18.5"!

I think the new "Super Colibrě" is supposed to top 500fps... hotter primer... and NO powder.

Wynn

[mr surveyor]

I do love Colibri's in my old revolvers.... but, ain't it funny how they can charge so much for using a tiny 12 grain (or is it 17) projectile and NOT adding powder. Reminds me of the mid 70's when the gasoline companies realized they could charge you more for unleaded gasoline due to the federal mandates, when they profited even more my not having to blend in the lead additive to begin with

[wyntrout]

These fire a whopping 20-grainer! I didn't have the 1/2" pine board, but I had a 3/4" poplar board for my test. Now this was the old weaker Colibrě, but it buried about 1/10" below the surface from about 8 feet. I think that you could kill small birds... sparrows and the like... with a good hit. Those have at least twice the power of my .177 CO2 pistol at about 410 fps and 1/3 the grains... or LESS!

The newer Super Colibrě use more priming and claim over 500 fps, I believe. Every shot could be a "squib" in a rifle. Now you could work out a way to pull the bullets and work up a powder load... and reassemble the rounds... you might have a decent rat-killer load... or, just buy the Remington Subsonic for quieter work.

I have a bunch of the CCI Quik-Shok 40-gr Sub-Sonic Segmented Hollow Points... as I did. I bought 4x500 @ $54.95 each, or $219.80 + $17.72 Shipping + $1.30 insurance for $238.82, or about 12˘ each delivered... about what Stingers run. That's a bunch per shot, but I wanted plated bullets so that corrosion wouldn't be such a factor in the long run.

The Remington Subsonic I found at Natchez Shooters for $4.89 per box of 100... cheaper, but all lead HP, and I know they work in the Ruger. The Federal CPHP in the 525-round boxes are about the best deal, but I want some quieter stuff, too.

Wynn

[tilefish]

These fire a whopping 20-grainer! I didn't have the 1/2" pine board, but I had a 3/4" poplar board for my test. Now this was the old weaker Colibrě, but it buried about 1/10" below the surface from about 8 feet. I think that you could kill small birds... sparrows and the like... with a good hit. Those have at least twice the power of my .177 CO2 pistol at about 410 fps and 1/3 the grains... or LESS!

The newer Super Colibrě use more priming and claim over 500 fps, I believe. Every shot could be a "squib" in a rifle. Now you could work out a way to pull the bullets and work up a powder load... and reassemble the rounds... you might have a decent rat-killer load... or, just buy the Remington Subsonic for quieter work.

I have a bunch of the CCI Quik-Shok 40-gr Sub-Sonic Segmented Hollow Points... as I did. I bought 4x500 @ $54.95 each, or $219.80 + $17.72 Shipping + $1.30 insurance for $238.82, or about 12˘ each delivered... about what Stingers run. That's a bunch per shot, but I wanted plated bullets so that corrosion wouldn't be such a factor in the long run.

The Remington Subsonic I found at Natchez Shooters for $4.89 per box of 100... cheaper, but all lead HP, and I know they work in the Ruger. The Federal CPHP in the 525-round boxes are about the best deal, but I want some quieter stuff, too.

Wynn

So they are safe for living room ballistics tests? Lol, I couldn't resist. That pic in the ammo thread was pretty funny.

[wyntrout]

Wow! I just watched a guy shoot a 275-lb pig with an air rifle... 4,000 PSI charge, and a 430-grain .45 bullet at 860 FPS and about 705 ft-lbs muzzle energy. I thought the bullet had glanced off, but it went clean through. You can see the entry and exit and then the blood pumping out the exit wound... 240 fps camera video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tfKX...eature=related

I was looking for Colibrě tests. Yeah, I get distracted any time I go to YouTube!

Wynn

I's a huge gun and costs thousands:

[Frankhenrylee]

One bad solar flare can cause these conditions almost world wide. Maybe not for 10 years, but definitely 4-5 years. Imagine every electrical device becoming junk. It happened to Northern Canada about a decade ago, I think, but don't quote me on any of what I just said. It's worth looking up though. They say we have a bad one about every 10-11 years, whoever "they" are.

I still haven't decided, but I do have a few of the things mentioned. Here's what I've got so far.
Ruger 10/22, w/ Swift 4x
Remington 870, (the AK47 of Shotguns) my go to for every scenario.
Winchester SX3 3.5 this is my fancy shotgun.
Ar-15, cant decide on an optic that I can afford.
Ruger M77 .270 WSM, really need a caliber thats easier to find and cheaper to stock.
Kahr PM40, because it can go anywhere.

The reason I started this post was because I really want another pistol, but it has to be "the One". Just wanted some opinions on what people thought would run forever. The revolvers seem like a good idea, very few parts and powerful enough to drop a deer if I don't have anything else on me. I kind of like that new Taurus that shoots .454 casull, .45 long colt and .410 shotshells. Once again though, rare ammo. Maybe .357 is the way to go on that. Common ammo will be a major theme here.

[Scoundrel]

If you don't mind the short eye relief, this is a pretty decent scope for the price.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ms_ohs_product

[wyntrout]

I ordered the "2-7X32 Compact-Red and Green Illuminated P4 Sniper/Green Lens/Quick Release"
Sports; $87.95
In Stock
Sold by: Amazon.com




I usually use a 1.5 x 4.5 or something like that... lower power for quick acquisition, but I can use the help with my older eyes.


I was thinking about one of those see-through mounts, but those get so high off the rifle. Easy-off will be nice. One guy said that lever interfered with chambering the first round. I'll wait and see.



Wynn

[Gliderguy]

How about an S&W Governor... .410, 45 colt, and 45 ACP. If you are stuck with one, I think this is it.

Either that or a Remington 870 of almost any flavor. Should last a lot of shots and would be all purpose SD and game getting.

[Bawanna]

The Governor would be a great choice for most anything if you can get close enough or allow them to get close enough.

I was playing with my son's yesterday and it's really not terribly heavy. Tad large for everyday carry the way things are but when the balloon goes up (which incidently I hope lands directly on my head) concealment won't be an issue.

[jocko]

I wish the govoner was at least chambered for 3" 410 rounds. lots ofump in the 3" stuff. Still would be a great in home gun,not much cance of shooting at a home invader and the rounds (410) going out the windows and hitting the neighbor sittiin on his back porch stone drunk. Just sayin.