Had to clear the house this morning

[Bawanna]

Wow, OP here....this thing has taken a life of it's own! Gun safety and children was not my intent for this topic but no worries. That topis ahs caused some recent friction with me and the in-laws.

If you think kids won't mess with guns because they've been tought better - your kidding yourself.

No I am not selling the biometric boxes by any stretch but I beleive in it. 2 second access and childproof and casual theft proof. I am quicker on the draw than those who keep a loaded one in the nightstand drawer...time it.

I thought friction was what in-laws was for? As far as taking a life of its own, that's what we do here. It's pretty common practice. I enjoys it. I'm reminded of the NOtch thread, where it went from a simple machining error to WWIII, to someone renaming their dog notch. Dang I love this place.

[getsome]

Hi getupatree, Yep you are so right about posts here getting out of hand, off track, twisted, highjacked, get turned into a big argument then a bar fight after which we will settle down, laugh, have another round and try and remember we were talking about in the first place....Just seems to be the nature of a growing, evolving Kahr Talk free for all forum and I for one hope it doesn't change one bit... Sorry about the In Law problem, Believe me, I can understand that deal, (Just bought a brand new Toyota Prius with the one way throttle option for my Mother in Law).......Bottom line is its your house and they are your children and in the end, your responsibility for whatever happens....I will tell you this but I'm sure you already know, When I was a kid there wasn't a single square inch anywhere in our house that I didn't nose around in even after being told not to...If I had found a loaded pistol there is no way in he!! that I wouldn't have taken that thing to the back yard and blasted away just to see what would happen... but thats just me being me... Good luck with your decision...

[Bawanna]

Ok Mr. Getsome, I'm moving you over to the ally side of the score board. Some folks get downright put out when the thread goes the slightest bit off course. BORING! I try not to get into those highly technical discussions to throw people off unless I genuinely have something meaningful to contribute which is sometimes rare and usually somebody beats me on all the good stuff. I think we're here to help each other, new owners and shooter and I believe we can have fun doing it.
Now what were we talking about anyhow?

[noslolo]

I have two young children (8+10), I have done a good job of taking the curiosity out of the guns , by taking them to the range alot, and by being very open about the guns in the house. I was raised with no guns around and when I went to my Grandfathers house I would always try to get at the 1897 Winchester that he had. I have made the decision to not be a victim so, I carry all of the time, even in the house. At night it is right next to me. If I have it on me they can't play with it. I do have others that I keep locked up, so they aren't an issue. I am thinking about a Gunvault for my wife though. She doesn't carry and I'm away alot with work. She is more comfortable with a safe, so that is what I will do for her. After a long story I guess both sides apply to me.

[Bawanna]

I have two young children (8+10), I have done a good job of taking the curiosity out of the guns , by taking them to the range alot, and by being very open about the guns in the house. I was raised with no guns around and when I went to my Grandfathers house I would always try to get at the 1897 Winchester that he had. I have made the decision to not be a victim so, I carry all of the time, even in the house. At night it is right next to me. If I have it on me they can't play with it. I do have others that I keep locked up, so they aren't an issue. I am thinking about a Gunvault for my wife though. She doesn't carry and I'm away alot with work. She is more comfortable with a safe, so that is what I will do for her. After a long story I guess both sides apply to me.

That 97 Winchester would make a real nice tool for your wife when your gone. On a upper shelf in a closet. I love 97's. I'd keep the chamber empty, that slide racking making that distinctive sound can be a real attitude adjuster. Safe for your wife is also a sound idea. Secure but at hand if needed. I like em simple. Push button with a key backup, not sure I got faith in the ones that read your fingers but there's alot of them out there.

[jlottmc]

I grew up during the time (and geographic area) where every home had at least one locked and loaded firearm immediately accessable to the father. My grandfather always had an old, well worn, loaded single shot 12 ga standing in the corner by his bed. His was not so much for potential intruders since they were dirt poor, but for taking out the occassional possum he could hear rattling around in his old tin garage in the middle of the night. My Dad, kept his old Model 10 S&W loaded on the shelf in his closet. All of us grandkids and kids were well trained and very obedient when it came to things of such serious nature. But, that was also during the time when respect and obedience were demanded and expected. I personally kept a loaded revolver in the top drawer of the night stand by my bed, and a loaded rifle in an open scabbard hanging on my bed post from the time I got married, until that bed was moved into my son's room when he was about 5 years old. He was well aware that he was to never touch either of my accessable firearms, nor was he to ever venture into our bedroom without permission. Then again, as parents, we knew where he was at all times, and what he was doing. I now have grandkids that are in and out of the house quite a bit, and they have been raised by the same methods. Whenever my son, or now my grandkids had/have friends over, they are made aware of the house rules on where they can, and can not venture, and they are watched as closely as my kid was.

I honestly believe we had fewer firearms related accidents (proportionately speaking) 25-30 years ago than we do today. I think it best to not state my opinions on why I believe this true.

I probably should not have added my worthless 2 cents to the thread.


surv

This is much the same as I do. My daughter KNOWS better at 2. I will continue to teach and to watch like a hawk. She has not made motions toward any of my weapons at all. The other thing is she has always seen me with one too.

[jlottmc]

Uhhh...yeah I'd probably not post all the things I did in my youth. A lot of it was property destruction and vandalism - criminal for certain. I'm not proud of it, and I cannot believe I've never been shot or held at gunpoint while someone called the police on me and my buddies. I've placed myself in potentially lethal situations simply by trespassing at 3:00am, etc. It was never robbery, physical attacks, etc.

Rock salt in the butt 'nuff said...

[cgo99]

I used to have my guns unlocked but my now 4 year old little demon will pull stunts that defy the imagination.
Thats why I decided to get a lock/combination box, I just dont want one of his stunts to involve one of my guns. Is not like he has showed any interest on them and he has always seen my carrying but the stuff he comes up with is straight out the "Dennis the Menace" playbook.
As soon as he is ready and/or shows any interest I will be teaching him how to shoot in the meantime the lock-box will remain in the nightstand by my bed.

[WMD]

Being a person of the "older" generation, we kept guns in closets all of the time. That was the way it was in my dad's houses and that was the way it was in my house. When I was a kid, if you went to any of our neighbors houses (in MI) they all had guns in their closets and a handgun or two on the closet shelf. There was no curiousity about the guns among any of the kids I played with. We imagined guns of course while playing "war" etc. but we never considered grabbing my or someone else's dad's guns.

I got my first gun when I was 10 years old. My father took me shooting and taught me how to use and respect firearms. I was allowed to squirrel hunt with a single shot 20 guage by myself when I was 12. So were all the other kids in my neighborhod. I remember walking down the street with my trusty old 20 gauge (still have it) waving to folkks I knew as they drove by. It ewas no big deal. I lived in a residential neighborhood. It was tradition for me and my kid friends to go rabbit hunting with our 22's every Thanksgiving day morning. Needless to say, the kids parents I hung around with were also close friends of my family. There was lots of trust and respect.

Point being...., education is everything. there was no such thing as a gun safe in those days. They had not yet been invented.

In addition, there was no discussion on the TV or newspaper about how bad guns were and how the infamous assault rifle has been banned. What's happened here kiddies is a bunch of you have been brain washed by all the crap you have read or heard on the radio and/or TV. My kids were 7 & 9 when I got them their first guns (co2 powered pellet rifles. (I admit, I started late) I still did not have a gun safe, the guns were still in the closet. I educated my kids on guns starting with the pellet rifles then on to rimfire/centerfire (both rifles and handguns). They were familiar with the guns and therefore did not have any curiosity about them. They also understood what damage a gun could inflict and would never consider allowing a friend to even know about what guns were in my house.

A few years later I decided to buy a gun safe. Not because of my kids.... I bought the safe because I can no longer trust people. I have to keep my cars locked up at night, the house needs to be locked, etc.

Do not let all the crap you hear on Radio or TV fool you. If you are a parent and are properly raising your kids and teach them to respect guns at an early age, you will have no trouble. Too many folks like myself (ask your dads..) have used this approach quite successfully.

Just my 25 cents!

[Bawanna]

"Do not let all the crap you hear on Radio or TV fool you."

I can't believe WMD said crap! Good post, I think we grew up in the same house. Same rules of common sense. No safes, had a shotgun hanging on a rack in the kitchen. I think we refer to those as the good ole days and I sorely miss them. None of this cokamamey stuff we have to deal with now days. Wonder if its inhaling too much tupperware. I don't think they had invented plastic back then either. That must be it, plastic has ruined our normal lifes.
I have several safes now for the same reason you mention. A freind visits, says something to someone who says something to someone else and the next thing you know your doors kicked in and prized possessions are being packed around by crack addicts waiting for their stimulus check.
Just can't trust folks anymore, not worth taking the chance.:31:

[WMD]

"Do not let all the crap you hear on Radio or TV fool you."

I can't believe WMD said crap! Good post, I think we grew up in the same house. Same rules of common sense. No safes, had a shotgun hanging on a rack in the kitchen. I think we refer to those as the good ole days and I sorely miss them. None of this cokamamey stuff we have to deal with now days. Wonder if its inhaling too much tupperware. I don't think they had invented plastic back then either. That must be it, plastic has ruined our normal lifes.
I have several safes now for the same reason you mention. A freind visits, says something to someone who says something to someone else and the next thing you know your doors kicked in and prized possessions are being packed around by crack addicts waiting for their stimulus check.
Just can't trust folks anymore, not worth taking the chance.:31:

After I submitted this post, I figured I was in for a good flaming!

Everything I said is true however. I think you are right... It must be the tupperware or..... the melmac dishes.