I am leaving. Goodbye.

[knkali]

We live in desperate and troubling times, no matter what side you're on. Emotions run very high and for good reason, there's alot at stake. Sometimes it's good to step back and take a look from the outside. I've been on numerous gun sites and this is hands down the best I've ever had the privilege of joining. The moderators and admin are top notch as well as fair and compassionate. Any time you have numerous members who are passionate about what they believe there's going to be trouble occasionally. It's no different than having an argument with friends or relatives. Many times we say or do things we wish we could take back immediately after we commit the errors. The big difference is that sometimes we say more because we are on the internet and are not facing the person (s) directly. We can simply shut off the computer and walk away. If we were with each other face to face we probably wouldn't be as rude to each other as we sometimes are. I don't like to see anyone leave even if they don't agree with me. Everyone brings value to this forum (some exceptions do apply). If or when Scoundrel comes back, I hope we all would welcome him.

All true esp the part about face to face. I read many comments here that if the poster were not hiding behind his nom de plum his teeth would be on the ground in a face to face situation.
But all in all this forum is a great one and I like Bawanna's take on things while still being a mod. (I do miss his profiling though.) He can be diplomatic when needed too. I think he has shut down threads to help keep me from getting my panties in a bunch, and he knows when that is needed and when to let things run a bit too. All in all the mod/admin is top shelf.
I am going to watch the Opra show and the Life Network channel now.

[chrish]

Bawanna, didn't mean to suggest that each one of us aren't 'real' and that things that are stated here are real feelings or real life crap, real things that people witness, feel, think, comment about.

I just meant, it's not a real relationship that you manage the same way, not something you really go out of your way with, to maintain. Not something that people use as much personal 'filtering' with. People are FAR MORE free to comment, insult, criticize, behave in a way that people have historically not behaved. It's just how it is. Of course, there MIGHT be exceptions like you described where people choose to create something real friendships out of it, hook up, go shooting, visit, etc.

But what I really mean, if the KahrTalk server got a bolt of lightening and whoever the powers that be chose not to bring it back up. Each one of us would move on, find somewhere else to e-hang w/ other e-friends. We might feel some level of withdrawal for awhile. But it's not the same as a relationship that you meet a friend for lunch frequently, visit your parents, grandparents, or have a block party. That's all I was saying. It's just not like real life.

I created, hosted, and maintained a Sony PC forum a gazillion years ago. It met its demise after nearly 10 years of uptime and thousands of members. It just dwindled to nothing in the mid-2000s. Not a clue what happened to all those people. I've had no interest to find them, have no clue who 99.9% of them really are, and I doubt seriuosly any of them are keeping up w/ each other either. You don't typically 'look those folks up' after years to catch up like you do w/ old friends and long lost family. Just sayin'.

[TheTman]

I don't get the racially motivated part. It seems to me we heap scorn equally on gun grabbers of any color religion or creed. Obama bears the brunt of it, as he is the current gun-grabber in chief. I think we dislike the actions of Schumer, Bloomberg, Feinstein, Pelosi, Reid, and all the other gun grabbers as much as those of Obama.
This is a particularly tough time to be apolitical, when lawful gun owners are being assaulted minute to minute from every direction. A time when good decent people are demonized by some parts of society, for owning a certain inanimate object and trying to keep the right to defend ourselves. We are in the midst of the battle of a lifetime, and our 2nd amendment rights hang in the balance. How many times can we discuss which bullet works best, which lube to use or why isn't my Kahr working properly, when if we don't fight to keep our rights, we'll be left to discuss which arrow is the fastest, or what size bat works best, or what size rock to use for various circumstances. I'm probably one of the worst offenders on political stuff, but this is a time like no other in history. Our freedom and way of life is at stake, and I will not apologise for trying to "rally the troops", or for calling attention to those that would leave us at the mercy of thugs who would kill us over whatever money we have in our pocket, or rape our wives and daughters, or otherwise do us whatever harm they want. Yes, it may be a negative message, but these are negative times.
I don't blame Scoundrel from wanting a break from it all. I want a break. I want to be left alone. I want to be able to live without the government telling me I can only have 7 bullets or however many they tell me I can have in my gun, and what weapons I can have, or whatever other nonsense they come up with, that only honest citizens will obey, while the criminals continue to do as they please.

[chrish]

TMan is making some good points. I'll also add that this does end up producing some in-fighting at some level, which is bad too.

In the end, we would all still be here IF people would leave us alone. And we wouldn't even HAVE the need to have these discussions. The issue wouldn't even be there to talk about in the first place. We all WOULD be talking about 9mm vs 45, discussing new bullet designs, helping each other with gun issues. Shopping w/ each other for the next purchase.

So, let's all lay blame where blame belongs. Yes, we can choose to react to it differently, yes... But the problem here is the current landscape, brought on by the anti-gun crowd and both political parties. Both liberal/progressive folks that want stupid limitations or full bans in place...to folks on the right that are either in bed with the former, or laying down and 'compromising' with the former. That is creating the environment for the rest of us to feel we need to make a statement, whether it be with some level of anonymity here, or in a more public venue.

[jocko]

and for some it is alot asier to run than it is to stick and fight.I have been pissed a few times on this forum and bawanna and I talkedabout it many times, but lifeis not a bowl of cherries either.

I have stepped back from this forum a couple of times,partly my fault to as again it is easier to step back then IMO to come forward and call members names and put titles on them that they don't deserve, and then for damn sure you make no friends.I used to be on quite a few gun chats lines, I was never banned but I left um all, and more than likely a day before they were gonna ban me for I was fisty back then. I to have tempered alot. Some posters here I basicaly ignore but I do read um, for even though some might ruffle my feathers, they also add some good sh!t to this forum. We are a forum who really trys to help a person out, we suggest, we point to places to go to read and learn. but what irks me the most is when I or others try to help a poster who at first comes forward and posts his issues and then when someone adds their suggestions and things to look at, their comment back is something like> "well I have been around guns for 40 years, I know how to shoot etc, so it is not me for sure blahblah blah. That is just not the correct answer to give anyone who is trying to help . Not for me anyhow and then people back off of even trying to help that poster and maybe even back off when the next poster comes forward with an issue. No one wants to be told it is shooter error. BUT IT IS A FACT to. and when suggested to a owner, it is just one of many suggestions to eliminate, but this 40 years bull sh!t to me gets old. Hell I have been shootin over 55 years and I can't hit jack sh!t and I learn sumpin damn near every day on this forum, especially about kahrs. I don't shoot 3:" groups at 25 yards either, so I don't profess to do so , just to impress those who truly know what I said was pure bull sh!t and then ones credability is gone.

Scoundrel is gone, he posted his manifesto,I guess he got in the last word. IMO It would have been better had he just left with a small sentence that he was going to take a sebatical and think things over instead of basicaly sounding out members . That IMO makes it alot harder if ever to make a come back. You know we have over 7000 members on this forum. How many actually post???50 maybe at best. We are a family here, not of 7000 members but of the 50 or so who put up with ol jocko's b.s. or Bawanna's coolness in a fire fight or tinmans,getsomes, muggsy, downtown. JFootin photo's that have literally nuttin to do with guns but add a flavor that no forum has or can have. U can't put a price on that sh!t.
Maybe in scoundrels manifesto there is a message for all of us to. We can each decide that to. Sometimes we do need to step away and examine our conscious. but I will still stick with my thoughts that obummer is the lienest mfg-er I have ever seen, and his wife IMO is a fat ass,crucify me if u will. makes zero difference. I totally respect the office of the president but I do not have to respect the person in it. I know I drifted alot here from scoundrels leaving but it is what it is. a month from now or shorter, he will just be a name to me and nothing more. It is the interned as one said.

But I do have some great guys herre that I consider friends from far places.


I will try my best to make this my last post on scoundrels thread. For me it is time to move on from this and to just shoot um like we stole um.

Vi va la Obummer.



I have no doube what so ever , he is reading every post to

[downtownv]

Scoundrel sorry you're going rehab on us...
I seen this on different forums, some firearm some not, and it's usually the General discussion area where it gets a little rough.
My advise to you and others is stay in the forums that discuss what your interest is in. IE p series, k series etc.
Nobody is forced to read something in the nuthouse, the lounge, loonie-bin or whatever they call 'em.
You see a type bar loaded with Hells Angels, like Jocko, and your going to dinner with your mom.... Do you go in?
I make no excuses I don't like this administration and I didn't like the last (Patriot Act)
I will alway speak up against attacks on Our liberties.
Sorry you are affected by what you read here. But Glad the people here appreciate the freedom to write it in the first place!

[Tinman507]

I really hesitated chiming in here. Especially since this was supposedly Scoundrel's final post without recourse.

It's what i imagine finding a suicide note would be like. A person is deeply angry about many things and decides to end it and leaves a final angry note about their anger. It may cleanse their soul to say those things but it leaves the survivors shaken, searching for answers, questioning their own behavior, and blaming themselves but in the end it is simply a passive aggressive way to lash out one final time with no fear of rebuttal. In a way (and I mean no ill directly to Scoundrel) it is a bit cowardly.

Perhaps it is good for a community to periodically step back and do a self inspection. Perhaps we can find things to change or do differently. Each of us are the only ones who can answer that. Should this behavior change be legislated by the owners? No, that is a personal decision we each need to make.

This forum was at one time completely apolitical and that was fine for the times. But as things in this country changed, the admins and mods wisely allowed it to seek it's own level and become what we are today. I appreciate that a lot. It is a place where I can vent my frustrations and expose my "smart-ass". I also am a member of a few other forums but this is the one I frequent every day. It fills a need that I have.

We are on uncharted territory in this country with daily assaults on our God-given rights. Being able to vent and report on those assaults is a very healthy thing. Let's face it, being able to verbalize a feeling and receive feedback (positive or negative) is a very good thing. It keeps us balanced and hopefully on course. Of course we're going to upset some folks. Everyone of us comes from a different place with different life experiences. It is what makes us a great nation. The ability to express your opinion without fear of reprisal is the first of our God-given rights. I truly hope this forum is allowed to continue to seek it's own level.

While I do not agree with every post on KahrTalk, I do value most of them. The ones I cannot accept, I simply ignore, disregard and move on.

Should Scoundrel decide to come back, I would welcome that. Would I necessarily agree with everything he says? I doubt it, but it does have value. Would I choose to argue with him? Maybe, likely not.

I honestly would hope he finds the strength and courage to return and continue to share his version of the truth and affect whatever personality this forum takes on.

Chris (tinman)

[JERRY]

i dont live on the internet, dont keep a laptop on my lap while im eating or watching t.v., thus i have missed this thread as the title didnt interst me. The same goes for much of the dribble porported as intellegent conversation on many political section message boards

sorry to see a long time member leave because of being upset by postings. my solution is not to read them.

[kerby9mm]

I read this forum to learn about Kahr guns and how to trouble shoot them because I own 2 of them. I can't say that I never joined in on the political or non gun threads but it was very few times. I am addicted to reading this forum about Kahr weapons and I don't know if I could just quit cold turkey.

[ParrotHead]

Good luck. Do what you gotta do; and if that means take care of your mental health
then that should come first.

[downtownv]

I really hesitated chiming in here. Especially since this was supposedly Scoundrel's final post without recourse.


We are on uncharted territory in this country with daily assaults on our God-given rights. Being able to vent and report on those assaults is a very healthy thing. Let's face it, being able to verbalize a feeling and receive feedback (positive or negative) is a very good thing. It keeps us balanced and hopefully on course. Of course we're going to upset some folks. Everyone of us comes from a different place with different life experiences. It is what makes us a great nation. The ability to express your opinion without fear of reprisal is the first of our God-given rights. I truly hope this forum is allowed to continue to seek it's own level.

Chris (tinman)

Tinman, That was exactly my point!
This forum is so great because WE get to discuss and voice out opinions. Today guns, gun ownership are under direct attack by this president. There are very ominous signs as to what his intentions are. If we stand by and do nothing, we are no different that Nazi Germany. The Japanese knew better than to attack or homeland as "There will be a gun, behind every Blade of Grass"
The problem is we NEVER would of thought the attackers would come from within! DHS hoarding hollow points, No commitment to sealing our borders
If /when that happens who will stand and fight and who will throw down their weapons and run? (think ARVN) Or worse yet surrender them and turn into a slave....

[Barth]

Take a time out and come back when your ready.

I would suggest you just take a break from the forum for a while.
And come back later refreshed and with some perspective.

I don't get along with everyone here.
And i'm pretty high profile and opinionated.
Still, this place is like family to me.

I may not agree with everyone, but I do respect their opinions.
The few knuckle heads that have shown up have been shown the door.
And we have a freedom to speak our minds not seen on other forums.
That can't be discounted.

This is a rare and fun place with special people, members and moderators.
Think twice before you move on.

[muggsy]

You really had me going there Scoundrel. For a minute I thought you were serious about leaving. Then I realized that no one would leave his best friends over a few comments made about some hack politician who doesn't even know that they exist. Enjoy your vacation and when you get bored with lying in the sun come back to reality. We love ya big guy.

[jeepster09]

Nanana....I'm not leaving....perhaps ya want me to...but i ain't goin nowhere!:19:

[muggsy]

Get lost, Jeepster.