Buyers Remorse

[TheManWith2FirstName]

Well yesterday I went to the gun shop and saw a brand new CM9. It's been on my wishlist for a while. So I went ahead and picked it up. After bringing it home and giving her a proper cleaning and lubing I noticed a crack. Hoping it was a scratch I rubbed it with some fine steel wool and it didn't go away or get any better.



I know that with the holiday weekend that I probably should wait until next week to get a RMA. Here is what I am wondering:

Am I just imaging things or is this truly a crack?

[TucsonMTB]

It may just be a mold mark where the plastic did not flow well. Try to determine for yourself if it really is a crack before you contact Kahr. Can you see it on both sides of the grip area (inside and outside)? Do the two areas move relative to each other when you try to flex the plastic?

I had a PM40 crack in a different area. When I sent Kahr a picture similar to yours, they claimed it was "just a mold mark" . . . until I sent them a second picture with a piece of dental floss pulled into the crack. Then they wanted the gun back and replaced the frame.

By the way, replacing the frame results in a completely new serial number and they insist on shipping the replacement back through an FFL, on your dime. The replacement process took more than a month in my case.

You could probably save yourself some grief by just taking it back to your friendly, local dealer and letting him contact Kahr. At least they can ship it back to him after replacing the frame, saving you the FFL hassles.

Considering that it will take at least a month to get a replacement from Kahr, your dealer might even be able to give you another gun and put what will be a genuine, new pistol back into his sales inventory when it comes back from Kahr.

All of those suggestions presume a helpful dealer . . .

[RRP]

Your frame is fine. That's not a crack.

Before you worry about it, the notch in the left front rail is normal.

[gunshinestateCW9]

Buyers Remorse

What he said^^^^^. I thought the same thing when I looked closely at my cw9 but if u look it wraps around the grip in a str8 line. It's just mold marks

[TheManWith2FirstName]

Thanks for the replies. I can see inside the grip and I am not sure if it goes all the way through. There are some mold lines on the inside. I came up with an idea though. I put an extremely bright light against the magwell and turned off all lights in the room. There was absolutely no light coming through the area I thought was a crack. So it's not completely though. I guess it's a birthmark. Thanks everyone for the quick responses and for the help.

[getsome]

Glad to hear it.....Just put a Hogue Handall Jr grip on it or a bike innertube and you will forget all about it and it feels better on your shooting hand too...By the way, welcome to kahrtalk and if you have any other questions at all be sure to post away....There are lots of nice folks here more than willing to help you out...Good luck with the new Kahr!!!...

[gb6491]

TheManWith2FirstName,
I believe TucsonMTB's (et al) observation about that being a mold mark is correct and to further put your mind at ease here's a blown up portion of a photo from this page: http://www.majorpandemic.com/2012/12...un-Review.html (this photo in particular) that shows pretty much an identical mark on another CM9 frame:

Welcome to the forums and congrats on your new pistol .
Regards,
Greg

[Chogers]

Hmmmmm??? Quality Control anyone? Hello? Kahr? Are you sleeping?

[MW surveyor]

OMG! I've got the same mark on my CW9. Shows you how observant I am.

Hmmmmm??? Quality Control anyone? Hello? Kahr? Are you sleeping?

Really????????? Have you seen the mold marks on Glocks? They are supposed to be perfect.

[Chogers]

OMG! I've got the same mark on my CW9. Shows you how observant I am.





Really????????? Have you seen the mold marks on Glocks? They are supposed to be perfect.

LOL! Glock doesn't make an expensive version and a cheap version of the same gun. Just sayin. I wonder if they would let a PM9 go out in the same condition?

[Cubby]

Now I've got to check mine :-)

[Tyme49]

(O.M.G.!!!)³ ...

... I just placed my BNIB PM9 DLC under an intense halogen light ...

... and, then, proceeded to carefully inspect it with a big ol' magnifying glass! ...

... NADA, ZILCH, ZIP Bo Diddley Defects - THANKFULLY!

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BTW, FWIW, awhile back, when I began zero-ing in on Kahr, my first inclination was to buy a nice MK9, ...

... but that 'went to Oaxaca' when I started noticin' all the web posts about MIM (frame) cracks!

[gb6491]

(O.M.G.!!!)³ ...

... I just placed my BNIB PM9 DLC under an intense halogen light ...

... and, then, proceeded to carefully inspect it with a big ol' magnifying glass! ...

... NADA, ZILCH, ZIP Bo Diddley Defects - THANKFULLY!

__________________________________________________ ________

BTW, FWIW, awhile back, when I began zero-ing in on Kahr, my first inclination was to buy a nice MK9, ...

... but that 'went to Oaxaca' when I started noticin' all the web posts about MIM (frame) cracks!

Yes, there have been some frame cracks reported on the steel frame guns, but it's hardly pandemic. I don't remember any of the reported guns failing to function either (not saying for sure though).
FWIW, I think you'll find Kahr frames are not MIM parts, but rather machined from investment castings. As you included a slide photo, Kahr slides are also non-MIM parts, they are machined from bar stock.
Regards,
Greg

[JustinN]

LOL! Glock doesn't make an expensive version and a cheap version of the same gun. Just sayin. I wonder if they would let a PM9 go out in the same condition?

IF it was a crack you could question their QC....but since this is a mold mark, and on multiple weapons I'd say it's an expected mark from the creation process.

It's amazing how quick people love jumping on a dog, before it's even down, to slam their QC and call into question their quality. I'm guessing as soon as he hits the range with that little gun it's going to be love and he'll forget all about the mark...and if the gun isn't great, it will get fixed.

[ltxi]

IF it was a crack you could question their QC....but since this is a mold mark, and on multiple weapons I'd say it's an expected mark from the creation process.

It's amazing how quick people love jumping on a dog, before it's even down, to slam their QC and call into question their quality. I'm guessing as soon as he hits the range with that little gun it's going to be love and he'll forget all about the mark...and if the gun isn't great, it will get fixed.

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