Being surrounded by motor cyclist

[Allen]

Kind of wondered what I would have done if I was ever surrounded while driving by a bunch of cyclist like the family in New York. Really, opinions, what should the motorist have done considering one cyclist stopped in front of him, and when his side window was being broken out. Undoubtedly he wasn't armed, but if he was at what time should he have used it, or shouldn't he considering the large number of cyclists?
I always carry any time we're traveling on the road but never thought about being caught in that sort of situation.

[jocko]

good point.. whenthat assww!p[ebustedin that side window,I would have thought had the driver had a gun that the a$$wipe would have been bought and paid for. I think thevideo would have cleared him with zero charges even and definitely when we now know at least 1 to 3 of the bikers were under cover cops who witnessed the entire event..

[Cougar8000]

as a long time motorcyclist and motorcycle safety instructor those are not motorcyclist. Now that it is established...

they would have never gotten to the point of penetrating my window. I have watched that and many other videos on this group. some are dating back and show the same activity and at times even worse i.e. riding on the busy NY sidewalks.

What gets the blood going is according to the latest reports there were at least 1 confirmed undercover and few off duty COPS on their bikes in that group and they all just stood by and watched.

[muggsy]

Maybe it's just me, but when an undercover cop witnesses a civilian that he has sworn to protect being pulled from his car and beaten, I think that it's time to come out from under the covers. I've been surrounded by bikers most of my life and never had a problem, but then again I'm kinda lovable in a warped sorta way.

[jeepster09]

For me, first step would of been 911 and I would of told them police are on their way. If they kept attacking, someone would of got shot.

[CJB]

1. Hollywood Stuntz is a latino and hispanic black group that has a history of targeting motorists, especially Asians, with road intimidation maneuvers. They pride themselves in it.
2. The entire group was not HS, but other riders as well. The cops were "off duty" but there as riders gathering intelligence. They were plants.
3. Forget what you hear about the SUV driver weaving through the pack trying to bully the pack. There are reports that the initial rider hit was trying to "slow down" the SUV's driver, so the pack could pass. Total fookin' nonsense, as the pack could have passed him at any time on their rice rockets. That SUV would have been a dot in their mirrors in 3-4 seconds.

The braking by the rider that intially got hit was an intimidation move. He screwed up and got hit. Folks.... I ride. I ride a lot. There is no way in hell I'm gonna get in front of any cage and brake hard - in an attempt to slow down the cage. Its suicidal. The rider who did that got his bike and leg broken.

The driver stopped. His front tire was cut, but not flattened immediately. His SUV was pelted and there was an angry mob around him. He bolted. Folks got hurt from that.

The SUV's tire finally was un-drivable at highway speed and the driver of the SUV pulled off at an exit, and got his ass beat.

I cannot see.... but then again this is New York.... any charges against the driver of the SUV.

Civil damages.... maybe.

[Longitude Zero]

Maybe it's just me, but when an undercover cop witnesses a civilian that he has sworn to protect being pulled from his car and beaten, I think that it's time to come out from under the covers. I've been surrounded by bikers most of my life and never had a problem, but then again I'm kinda lovable in a warped sorta way.

Not always. It depends upon the assignment. When investigating the NY mob the UC's were allowed to witness and even participate in everything up to but NOT INCLUDING murder.

IMHO the SUV driver is owed damages by the crotch rocket riders. He owes them NOTHING!

[chrish]

Not always. It depends upon the assignment. When investigating the NY mob the UC's were allowed to witness and even participate in everything up to but NOT INCLUDING murder.

IMHO the SUV driver is owed damages by the crotch rocket riders. He owes them NOTHING!

If that's true, therein lies a massive problem with law enforcement today.

If you aren't going to save the life of someone in that situation or prevent them from getting beaten, when you know good and damn well they were not at fault, the system has failed and that law enforcement officer is a thug as well and should be fired.

The needs of the many to gain information about a criminal element do not outweigh the immediate need of the one to be saved from death or bodily harm.

Sorry, this story make me angry. Both the initial situation and the fact that law enforcement was present (if that's true).

[garyb]

Kind of wondered what I would have done if I was ever surrounded while driving by a bunch of cyclist like the family in New York. Really, opinions, what should the motorist have done considering one cyclist stopped in front of him, and when his side window was being broken out. Undoubtedly he wasn't armed, but if he was at what time should he have used it, or shouldn't he considering the large number of cyclists?
I always carry any time we're traveling on the road but never thought about being caught in that sort of situation.

I kind of wondered that very same thing Allen. NY gun laws are tough. NYC gun laws are tougher yet. My initial reaction was that once he was being attacked with a helmet as a weapon, it would be within his rights to protect himself and his wife. However, his life would be a mess for doing so, especially if this was in the city. Instead, he got beat up and no one was killed, from what I understand. Just shows that LE did not make it there in time...or perhaps they were there the whole time...Hmmmm.

[CJB]

Imagine if no video existed....

[Bawanna]

My take is the main perps face was right in the drivers window. Wife and child in the car.

I need to carry more ammo.

He did the right thing by driving on as soon as the attack on his vehicle began.

Once he was forced to stop with wife and child in the car it would have been OK Corral time.

And I need to carry more ammo.

And while I used to ride them, I hate rice rockets.

And I need to carry more ammo.

[jocko]

BINGO CJB hit the nail on the head. I do think it was an undercover cops duty to step in when this was goin down and from what I read he said he didn't want to blow his cover, so he was onduty in some sense of the word and IMOit was then his duty to step in and end it.

Maybe the Hollywood Stunz guys will learn sumpin from this to. Who knows, they have one paralized in the hospitaldue to their stupidty. If thedriver has any faults it was he was just at the wrong place at the right time. I amtold there is alot more on the video that is not bein release to the public YET. Someone told me that a few of the bimes involved even were stolen bikes. I wold be scare sh!tless evenwith a gun in the car, more thanlikely they had some guns to. Ican just picture dead drivger, dead wife, dead child.

\thats when a G1`9 with 33 round mag,l comes in real handy. Just sayin

[bob98366]

lessons taught

Bawanna: "I need to carry more ammo."

+1

Also, don't travel through non-reciprocity states. We'll spend our vacation money in states that respect the 2nd Amendment and citizen self-defense.

[Tinman507]

Seems to me the undercover LEO's cover is blown regardless. I think an innocent family's safety trumps all other considerations. Poor decision by the cops.

Yeah, B you need to carry more ammo.

[CJB]

Yah but the NYPD is another issue.... between the NYPD and the undercovers.

Officially, the cops were off duty. Un-officially, they were UC. NYPD policy - blow your cover, you're fired. And they do it, and have done it. Most notably, they fired one of their own for coming to the rescue of his fellow officers during what turned into a gunbattle.... the UC took the officer's side, got fired, stripped of police creds as well.

Tough world out there in NYC for a UC officer.

Back to bikers. At today's ABATE meeting, a mixed bag. High ups at the Chapter think they biker's ought to have killed the guy for running down one of their own. Ride like a-holes, intimidate along racial lines, use physical intimidation that goes sour, escalate to an attempted battery and vandalism, escalate to flee at any cost, excalate to chase, further vandalism and a higher form of battery...

BTW, the first rider, who broke his leg may have committed an assault. Assault is an attack that does not require physical contact. Battery is the physical contact. If any of the crimes are felonious by the biker, and the rider in a comatose state dies, those charged with felonious crimes will also be charged with homicide - because someone died during the commission of their crime (even though they had no control over it).

Thats the facts jack.