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  • #31
    Originally posted by DavidS View Post
    I am quite comfortable carrying a chamber loaded Kahr when I am out and about. When I am running around the property and home, I carry a Glock 23 OWB. But, I am not comfortable carrying it with a round in the chamber but I have not sorted out exactly why, something about the trigger pull.
    Some comments from the experts would be appreciated, am I paranoid or is my concern justified?

    You have doubt or concerns which justify your actions. Until those concerns are remedied, you should not carry the Glock. You have a couple of options:
    1) go to another carry gun that you do not have any doubt or concerns with
    2) train hard with the Glock until you feel comfortable carrying it.


    I cannot comment on the Glock trigger that you have because I know nothing about the gun. Was it previously owned and the trigger worked on? Is it a bad trigger from the factory? What has the trigger performance been so to give you concerns? Is it that the trigger seems more "sensitive" than the Kahr because the pull is shorter and you d not have faith in the trigger safety lever? Have you accidently discharged the weapon in training from the holster way too early--before you ever got a sight picture, or worse, target acquisition?
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    • #32
      Originally posted by knkali View Post
      You have doubt or concerns which justify your actions. Until those concerns are remedied, you should not carry the Glock. You have a couple of options:
      1) go to another carry gun that you do not have any doubt or concerns with
      2) train hard with the Glock until you feel comfortable carrying it.


      I cannot comment on the Glock trigger that you have because I know nothing about the gun. Was it previously owned and the trigger worked on? Is it a bad trigger from the factory? What has the trigger performance been so to give you concerns? Is it that the trigger seems more "sensitive" than the Kahr because the pull is shorter and you d not have faith in the trigger safety lever? Have you accidently discharged the weapon in training from the holster way too early--before you ever got a sight picture, or worse, target acquisition?
      YES, the shorter pull did appear to be my concern. The answer to all your other questions is no.
      I did some dry fire testing. The pull seemed a lot shorter because the first stage of the pull is so effortless, and the second stage where more effort is required is very short. Somehow it became registered in my memory that the trigger pull was very short, even though I had no problems with the two stage pull on the range. The overall pull length is similar to the Kahr.
      Sometimes the most obvious things ..........
      Issue resolved, thank you.
      "Typing the word "grandparents," I mistyped and the autocorrect changed it to CandyLand. Not entirely inaccurate." - Our daughter.

      A Kahr, a Glock, a Ruger, two Brownings, two Remingtons, and a Crossman.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by DT Guy View Post
        How do you think this would have worked out if he'd had to rack his gun before using it?

        My guess is he'd be dead. Larry
        He got into a bad situation and had the skills and luck to get out of it. Good for him. But if somebody already has a gun aimed at me from close range like that, the odds that I'm going for my weapon are zero, regardless of whether there's a round in the chamber. I'm not Quickdraw McGraw and never will be.

        I'm not advocating empty chamber for everyone. I'm just saying we should each honestly evaluate our own situation and choose accordingly without being concerned about what someone else thinks.
        Rest in peace Muggsy

        "Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world." Winston Churchill 1899

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        • #34
          Setback -- I'm convinced

          Originally posted by muggsy View Post
          The gun...will not fire unless the trigger is fully depressed.....
          But triggers do sometimes get depressed when there is no intent to fire. And being honest with myself I have to admit the chance of that happening to my gun, while small, is not zero. So the question is which is more likely, an accident or the chance that I'll need an extra moment to rack the slide and not have it?

          That answer varies depending on many individual factors. For example I don't work in an all night convenience store and I don't live in Cleveland. If I did, my answer might be different.

          Originally posted by muggsy View Post
          Follow the safe gun handling rules and you'll have no accidental or negligent gun discharges.

          Aye, there's the rub. The same can be said for driving motor vehicles. Most of us have driving skills honed by decades of daily practice. Yet traffic crashes occur.
          Rest in peace Muggsy

          "Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world." Winston Churchill 1899

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