"Kahrs can't take the strain" of intense shooting classes

[JohnR]

The gauntlet has been thrown.

Two trainers in a forum have declared Kahrs inferior for gunfighting. One said an MK9 stovepiped in a class, and Kahrs can't cut the mustard. Another said

In a course designed to teach people how to stay alive with a firearm, encompassing a lot of rounds burst fired repeatedly from off balanced positions shooting one handed, a fighting gun is going to fair better overall vs the small sd semi's that are usually fired two handed during practice sessions. I think that makes a big difference, with most practicing two handed nearly exclusively, while the course of fire works through 90% of the weekend utilizing one handed on the move skills.

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What do the fine gentlemen of Kahr Talk have to say about that?

[Bawanna]

I was ok with it until the guy said she switched to a Glock 19 and did ok. I don't figure the 19 is in the same corn field as a MK9.

Again the keeping up under their scenarios might be a real challenge to any small compact gun.

What we don't know is if any of these guys had any experience with Kahrs either, even seasoned shooters that shoot Kahrs for the first time need a little bonding time.

[JohnR]

Will any of us ever be in a sustained firefight shooting 200 rounds at a time, rolling around on the ground? Sure, it could happen, but the overwhelming majority of self defense gun scenarios are the well documented 3 rounds and the creeps run away.

[SlowBurn]

Its true that a bigger gun is less prone to limp wristing than a little gun. And you can't limp wrist a revolver at all. So if that's a problem someone can't get over, they should probably carry a larger semi-auto, or maybe a j-frame.

Also, little Kahrs may not be ideal for training weekends, but they're great for every day concealed carry by us regular people. If you read the "Armed Citizen" feature in American Rifleman, its easy to see the vast majority of situations in which a regular citizen needs his gun are not running gun battles involving "a lot of rounds burst fired repeatedly from off balanced positions shooting one handed." It may be fun go to a weekend with these "experts," and if I did I'd bring a service weapon like my G17 because its more suited. But IMO their training does not involve realistic scenarios for most of us.

[yqtszhj]

What? Did you see where they said the g19 was subject to limp wristing when shooting from the hip? Thats heresy. (Unless they use my g19 that is subject to limp wristing more than any of my kahrs.)

Maybe i got lucky but all my kahr 9mm guns shoot as fast as i can pull the trigger and wont fail due to limp wristing even if I try, and I did try. I wonder how many rounds they had through the MK 9 and if it was new and not broken in or dirty? That could be the case too.

One of my kahr 45s was slightly subject to ftfeed during breakin but after that and a good cleaning its good to go. I think it was the cm45.

[berettabone]

Will any of us ever be in a sustained firefight shooting 200 rounds at a time, rolling around on the ground? Sure, it could happen, but the overwhelming majority of self defense gun scenarios are the well documented 3 rounds and the creeps run away.

I might be doing the rolling around part.............................................. ............

[JohnR]

I've seen a Youtube video of someone demonstrating a G19 limp wristing. It can be done but it takes some effort. Maybe if your arm is injured.

[muggsy]

I have but one word to say. Bullpucky!

[jocko]

I have but one word to say. Bullpucky!

Its BULLSH1T mUGGSY, so get to the point. Bull Pucky sounds like a hockey game between animals.

That being said,opinions are like a$$holes, we all have one, If a sooting class toled me tha the kahrts was not a good fighting gun, I would ask for my moneyt back and walk out. If they would not give me my money back, before I walked out I would use the mens restroom and crap everyt place but the stool. Stupidity comes in all sizes and sexes. Anyone can print an article and it seems to make these gun webb sites. You can limp any fkking so lets get thaty straight. If u limp a G19, then you should probably giv eup shooting, but I have done it before, and found out that trying to lijmp produces no rsults, but norml shooting can produce limping, but things have to be right. I have many thousandes of rounds thru my PMJ9 and if I didn't trust it 150% it would not be in my front pockiet 24/7. As much as I luve the G1`9, the fokker will not ride in my front pocket. The G43 struggles to fit there even.

I like glocks but if you want to see all the internal changes and mods that glock has made over the years, look up their webb swites of glock changes thru the years. Not sure glock knows what a recall is either. I shoot with a state cop who at one time carried the G17, and tried my PMJ9 and handed it right back to me after a few magazines. His commet was, nice gun but I can't hit jack sh!t with it compared to my G17. I joked with him and tld him my PMJ9 would fit in his G17 magwell, and he nodded his head. People hate glocks, People hate kahrs, People hat kel tec's. ( I being one of them)... Just sayin

[getsome]

I hate Brussel Sprouts

[Armybrat]

Will any of us ever be in a sustained firefight shooting 200 rounds at a time, rolling around on the ground? Sure, it could happen, but the overwhelming majority of self defense gun scenarios are the well documented 3 rounds and the creeps run away.

Or - the well documented 3 rounds and I run away.....ASAP!

[GLOCKROCKER]

I hate Brussel Sprouts

+1 on the brussel sprouts....I can't hit sh1t with those things! But they do conceal well.

[ripley16]

The gauntlet has been thrown.

Two trainers in a forum have declared Kahrs inferior for gunfighting. One said an MK9 stovepiped in a class, and Kahrs can't cut the mustard.


What do the fine gentlemen of Kahr Talk have to say about that?

I look at this as being normal, not unusual at all. The fact is that most handguns don't "cut the mustard" in adverse or harsh conditions. It's why really good, reliable duty guns are fairly few in number. Most people that enter into the more strenuous, high round count shooting classes experience some failures with their primary handgun. Most take two guns for that reason. I wouldn't loose sleep over this. In the real world Kahrs do OK. I wouldn't want to go to war with one but for general thug protection, a Kahr is a good choice.

[jocko]

a cop can carry a hugh desert eagle on his side an no one cares, but we as civilians just don't have that priveledge, so small is good, small also brings with it issues that the bigger guns normllyt don't. If it ain't on your person, when u need it, then it is as worthless as titts on a boar. Ican say my PMJ9 has over 34K rounds through it and I have not broken anything, springs are replaced as needed, but I trust it completely, If I broke a part tomorrow, I wouud just replace the part, not rocket science, sh!t happens, sometimes more than once for some, I have never set out to shoot my PMJ9 constantly until it breaks a part or starts to jam up due to being dirtyt etc, Just not my style and to me doesn't orove much outher than I just wasted X amount of rounds..I luv my PMJ9 , it is small and we have seen in the past years some darn nice ultra compact 9's beig made but to my knowledge none as light or as small as the PMJ9 so to me that speaks highly of the kahr line of ultra compact. I ca't think of the one all steel 9 that is smaller and ligfhter, but also ammo finicky to, but over a grand to own, but a nice gun none the less,. Age makes me forget alot of things. It willcome tome aftert I post this...

[getsome]

The Kimber SOLO....Won't shoot anything BUT +p JHP rounds and is finicky with which brand works....No range ammo will shoot in one