well well well another school mass shooting...

[340pd]

This kid apparently joined a white supremacy cult. Fatherless kids often drift into cults or gangs. We allow so many of these psychopathic cults and gangs to flourish - why??? Who benefits? The only answer gets me branded a conspiracy whacko.

I think this story has been debunked.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/new...say/341751002/

[dustnchips]

I watched a TED talk dealing with school shooters. They are almost all male and have had no father around. I wish I remembered the speaker or title so I could post a link.

[dao]

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Its time for teachers to be trained and armed should they choose to be. Its time for schools to have people walk the campus armed and trained to protect the defenseless and to stop or at least lessen the impact the of those that wish to do harm.
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Hold teens accountable for crimes the same as an adult, no free pass until you are 18.

Mental health is the key. We can't keep throwing drugs at everyone who says they're depressed, that's how we got all these psycho killers. Too many prescription drugs are doing things to our minds that are worse than what they're prescribed for.

Government is never the answer. Look to God.

How about putting the schools back like they were when a rap on the knuckles with a ruler provided instantaneous feedback to abherrant behavior?
How about getting the federal and local government out of our schools, and replace both with teachers who are allowed to administer discipline and are willing to do so?
How about reviving PTA's that help educators be good and responsible parental surrogates to our children during the school day, instead of allowing them to indoctrinate our kids into becoming dependents of the government, and taught that only ideas left of center are acceptable to "the village"?

Corporal punishment sure kept me and classmates of my generation on the straight and narrow. People need discipline, not only to teach them right from wrong, and cause and affect, but also to keep them mentally balanced. Not all that are coddled and taught they are entitled to whatever they want will go bad but without indoctrination in those areas it is clear to see that there were far less crimes of this nature when teachers had a parent's right to punish their kids. Or for that matter when parents had a parent's right to punish their kids without worrying about the government coming in and taking their kids away.
Make it possible for one parent to stay home with the kids and/or be there when kids return from school. Latchkey kids were the generation when this abherrant behavior began. You cannot expect kids to know right from wrong without being taught, nor can you expect them to discipline themselves when they act out. Nor do they (as a majority), excel when left to their own devices.

We homeschooled our kids all the way through K12. After the age of about 4 we never had to swat their behinds and they have never thrown a fit in public or at home. Today they are college graduates and contributing members of society with no history of anti-social behavior or any kind of trouble in their past. We realize that some of that success is due to God's blessings and also perhaps luck, but our education system has failed to create as many new adults that take responsibility for their actions and are able to make good, rational decisions that are a benefit to society rather than a curse, than all prior generations did. Instead there are too many examples like this that somehow feel the only way to make themselves happy, or to right what they consider to be wrongs against them is to kill others. IMO this all lies at the feet of our education system. If they still considered grades to be a valid means of assessing success or failure they would see an F next to their attempts to bring about their new society.

[knkali]

They need to bring back profiling. Seriously. One look at this guy and I can tell he's several degrees out of plumb.

I have no faith in shrinks, about as reliable as lawyers. But profiling. That's the ticket.

Profiling is alive and well amigo. Every time I travel in the U.S I get pulled aside and searched as well as scanned. My wife and I have a running joke about it. Once I didn't get "the treatment" as I call it and my wife as like"see, its in your imagination"....guess what? Checked twice on the return flight home. Do I care? not really unless I am pressed for time. Funny, now we have to have special drivers licenses if we want to fly sans a passport soon. Seems unconstitutional doesn't it? Any con law experts out there?

[knkali]

This is yet another senseless tragedy.

I wonder if a lot of this abhorrent behavior is brought about by the "participation trophy" mentality that is the current norm. In this instance, guy is upset because the girl he was seeing decides she's had enough and moves on to another guy. This guy gets into a fight with the new guy. Gets expelled. It's somehow the school's fault that all this happened. The entitlement/video game/face stuck in their phone generation lives less and less in the real world, and society says that it's OK.

Rant over.

probably contributes

[knkali]

It's time to get serious about crime. 1st) Hold teens accountable for crimes the same as an adult, no free pass until you are 18. You do the crime you do the time. 2nd) Make penalties swift and public. For those caught in the act of a crime where there is no doubt about being the guilty party. Serve the penalty within 30 to 60 days, no longer. Make death penalties public events. It won't take long for crimes to plummet. No 30 years on death row anymore.

I assume you mean this for capital crimes yes?

[knkali]

There will be a ban placed on AR-15 style rifles.

Already are here in Kalifornia

[knkali]

And therein lies a point. Assault style/looking rifles are higly attractive to the weird, unstable, and antisocial vermin. If they weren't generally available OTB..... And mostly none of these fools, especially the kiddies, would have any idea how to cosmetically convert anything into "Look at me, I'm a MF Bad Ass Killer!" black guns.

This latest shooting has, finally, pushed me over the edge. I will support sales of frames, receivers, and parts to construct. But I'm done defending against OTB "assault weapons" bans. As noted, the world has changed, not for the better. We can't fix that. We have to live with it. And mass school shootings of children, in particular, just needs to be contained/stop.

provocative thought....... might be a pawn to sacrifice instead of a frank ban on anything resembling this style of rifle.

[Bawanna]

Wish I could find it now but Brian Williams the disgraced nightly news anchor now in the back ground for lying interviewed one of the surviving kids hoping to get fuel for the anti gun rhetoric.
He baited the kid and put words in his mouth not unlike the media in general but the kid didn't bite.

He told him it had nothing to do with guns, it's was mental and that's where they need to focus. Kid did good. Course we'll never see that on the evening news, not even sure how it got on the internet.

I think the first step is controlling or eliminating the powers the media wields. I don't know where they find these reporters sometimes. It's like contestants on survivor, they have to dig deep to find pathetic losers like they find.

[deadeye]

provocative thought....... might be a pawn to sacrifice instead of a frank ban on anything resembling this style of rifle.

You don't "pawn" anything to the lib gun grabbers. Give them an inch and they will go for the mile. That gun didn't kill anyone. A deranged lunatic did. Would another type of weapon have been more acceptable? A rental van seems to work well. Why don't they enforce the gun laws we already have. Is another "feel good" law thrown on the stack going to solve the problem?

[ltxi]

You don't "pawn" anything to the lib gun grabbers. Give them an inch and they will go for the mile. That gun didn't kill anyone. A deranged lunatic did. Would another type of weapon have been more acceptable? A rental van seems to work well. Why don't they enforce the gun laws we already have. Is another "feel good" law thrown on the stack going to solve the problem?

Enforce what gun law? He bought that AR perfectly legally.

Semi-auto assault rife bans have never affected the ones I own....SKS's and Ruger Mini 30 Ranch. Why?...'cause they don't look like "Assault Rifles". And I dare say, though perfectly capable of it to any gunny or vet who understands them, neither have been involved in nut case mass shootings. "Ordinary looking guns just don't be fittin' my Rambo killer image don't ya know...and besides I don't even know how they work. Are those like a bolt action or something?"

I have no quarrel with AR-15s per se. Although I don't own one or any 5.56 (something to do with early M-16 experiences) I think they're a fine design. But in OTB, black rifle trim they attract the crazies and I think we need to face up to that and proactively deal with it.

[dustnchips]

This kid beat his mothers dog to death with a ball bat and was arrested by police. Yet he was still able to go out and legally buy a gun. Did the police fail to put him in the system or was that not reason enough to think he was unstable?

[deadeye]

I understand what you are saying. However, a few questions. Did mass killings come along with AR15's? If a deranged individual can't get one does it stop him? If they were lavender would it help? As far as the law goes, in the last 8 -10 years gun related crime convictions are lower than ever (Chicago? Baltimore, etc.). Why? Is there not a law against murder or do criminals not care about the laws on the books. Why would they care about another one? The gun grabbers aren't just out to get AR15's. They have stated plainly all semi-autos must go. Kahrs are semi-automatics. Wouldn't a single shot Kahr be great? They have also stated plainly the Australia laws are their model. As I said before, give an inch - get ready to lose a mile.
Last question.
"But in OTB, black rifle trim they attract the crazies and I think we need to face up to that and proactively deal with it."
What would you suggest?

[Ikeo74]

For crimes that would normally get the Death Penalty, give swift justice. For lesser crimes start trial before 90 days. Age does not matter, *** crime in the bud. No free passes for kids under 18.

[Ikeo74]

This kid beat his mothers dog to death with a ball bat and was arrested by police. Yet he was still able to go out and legally buy a gun. Did the police fail to put him in the system or was that not reason enough to think he was unstable?

Kids under get a free pass on crimes. They don't go into their adult record. Dog kill probably happened when he was under 18 and he got a free pass. Didn't affect his criminal records, clean adult record. We need to change that law.