Kahr vs 1911 for CCW

[nksmfamjp]

I have to throw this out there. Let's discuss Kahr vs. 1911 for CCW. I like my 1911 co pace for the larger caliber, larger grip and better trigger, but still, I think when I get a P40, it will be with me more often. A P40 will have a good enough trigger and caliber, while having a size and weight which begs to be with me!

What do you think? On the other hand, I may just be ccw lazy!

[jocko]

certainly will be a big weight difference. Trust me there is nothing wrong in being lazy!!!

[JFootin]

You like the 45 caliber. For CCW, look at the PM45. Not a pocket gun, but it sure can disappear in a good IWB holster. Not punishing to shoot; surprizingly manageable recoil. Ask Bawanna. He'll tell you that is his #1 always with him carry gun, though his CBOB is often there, too.

[jocko]

typical baswanna

You like the 45 caliber. For CCW, look at the PM45. Not a pocket gun, but it sure can disappear in a good IWB holster. Not punishing to shoot; surprizingly manageable recoil. Ask Bawanna. He'll tell you that is his #1 always with him carry gun, though his CBOB is often there, too.

put him in a pig lot and he will tell u he hates pork, put him in as cow lot and he will tellu he hates beef.. He is a retired politician u know, and some things never die with them. PUt him in a 45 crowd and he hates 9's and vice versa. He ia just one verstaile guy..

[JimC]

IMO, your talking apples and oranges here.

There's no way anyone could compare any model Kahr .45 ACP to my Ed Brown Kobra Carry sized 1911. There are two entirely different pistols in all aspects.
I wouldn't even compare my re-issue series '70 Colt GM to a Kahr in .45 ACP. It is a true, serious fighting pistol and my PM9 is a pistol of convenience due to size and weight.

[wayneo1]

Far as I am concerned anything that can shoot a bullet my way is a serious fighting pistol. I mean whats not serious about a 9mm or 22 cal ripping through ones flesh. The only difference I see is one you would should shout ouch, ouch, ouch, the other you would shout OUCH

[jocko]

fighting pistiol. combat pistol. swat designed, special ops, deep cover, all ADD HYPES, imo. Getrs a readers/buyers attention real fast. Quite possably what wayneo1 said is about right. a fighting gun to a poor person might indeed be an H&R 9 shot 22 revolver, but so others maybe a Glock 17. Both last time I read will kill u deader than a possum on the highway..

[JimC]

fighting pistiol. combat pistol. swat designed, special ops, deep cover, all ADD HYPES, imo. Getrs a readers/buyers attention real fast. Quite possably what wayneo1 said is about right. a fighting gun to a poor person might indeed be an H&R 9 shot 22 revolver, but so others maybe a Glock 17. Both last time I read will kill u deader than a possum on the highway..

I would have expected more from you than that response.
The initial question was...Kahr vs 1911 for CCW
If I am knowingly headed into harms way and I have been there during 25 yrs. as an LEO and I have my choice, it won't be my PM9 that I take along.

[mr surveyor]

Whether to carry a single action, hammer fired 1911 or a double action, striker fired Kahr pistol is more a matter of choosing between two totally different platforms.... and sticking with either one or the other. When I was younger I had no concerns about using a single action revolver for SD/HD, but as I got older the SA/DA platform became more desireable. The same holds true for pistols for me. I carried cocked and locked single action semi's for several years, particularly a Star BM 9mm (similar to 1911, but no grip safety) and a Kimber compact. Both carried comofortably as both are single stack designs and the slides/frames are flat and narrow as compared to the vast majority of the current offering of so called "fighting pistols". But with the aging thing creeping on, I decided to simplify my life a bit more and moved to a Sig P239 DA/SA for carry. No external safety to deal with, and a great trigger once you get familiar with the two different trigger weights. The Sig is also just a bit thicker than the 1911 and made IWB carry "different". Having decided I wanted to move all the way to DA for carry, I picked up the CW9 a couple of years ago. The DA KelTec P380 and PF9 that I had carried for 5-6 years in the rotation with the Sig suddenly both "pulled an Elvis and left the building". The CW9 fit my hand as well as the 1911 does, fit my waist band as good as any handgun I've owned, and fit my KISS principle for a super smooth DA trigger. I can't cut bullet holes in the X-ring with the CW9 but I do feel competent with SD shot placement. The simple part is the DA striker fired procedures - Point, Click....BANG..... Reholster.

ooppss... I'm rambling again

surv

[Bawanna]

We're lucky we live in a day and time that there are sooooo many firearms to choose from. Bad for me since I want them all and the list just keeps growing and growing.

It's all about what a person wants to carry, what works for them, what they have confidence in both the caliber and their ability to apply it.

The 1911 and any Kahr as stated before are to use Jocko's wise words are like beef and pork, or perhaps even beef and chicken. (all of which I love incidently) Not in the same ball park.
Both can get the job done very well in the right hands.
I personally like them both so I carry both, why play favorites you know.

The 1911 and my PM45 make a perfect pair. One magazine fits both guns. The kahr lives on my ankles so its severly disadvantaged (alot like me) slower to draw, a tad slower to shoot but if the belt gun isn't there or heaven forbid decides not to run, it will perform very well, far better than rocks or panicked running away or rolling in my case.

JimC if that reissued series 70 needs a home, put me on the list.

[jocko]

sorry about that

I would have expected more from you than that response.
The initial question was...Kahr vs 1911 for CCW
If I am knowingly headed into harms way and I have been there during 25 yrs. as an LEO and I have my choice, it won't be my PM9 that I take along.

most leo's don't have a choice of what they carry and I guess my point was for many PRICE dictates alot of what we carry to. No doubt if I was headed into harms way and I KNEW IT, it would be my G19 srtrictly for the additional firepower, not becasue it works any better than my PM9. Not sure I would put the job of a LEO in the same category as John Q citizen. Most of us don't have the freedom of carrying a G19 or G17 in open carry as u guys do.

Course If I could walk the street with a 12 gauge Benelli, that would trump my semi's also. unfortunatly I can't.. and u have been here long enough to know that we tend to veer off the original thread alot...

[Armybrat]

I fail to see the difference in being shot with a .45 bullet from a Kahr P45 or a Nameyourbrand 1911.

The hole will be the same size, right?

And in no way am I prejudiced against 1911s - love my Springer GI:

[apheod]

IMO, your talking apples and oranges here.

There's no way anyone could compare any model Kahr .45 ACP to my Ed Brown Kobra Carry sized 1911. There are two entirely different pistols in all aspects.
I wouldn't even compare my re-issue series '70 Colt GM to a Kahr in .45 ACP. It is a true, serious fighting pistol and my PM9 is a pistol of convenience due to size and weight.

if i train harder, and draw faster with my k9 or pm9 (i probably do, i'm an idpa sharpshooter a couple seconds from qualifying expert) than you, your 4,000 dollar ultra custom 1911 is going to look awfully pretty laying on the ground next to your corpse.

training with your carry weapon> super ultra tactical extra double secret go to war pistol. unless we're standing more than 40 yards away, even if we're equally proficient, and you get that safety off during your draw before getting on target, i would feel at no disadvantage. over 40 yards or so, the single action may give you a SLIGHT edge in accuracy. self defense distances, no difference IMHO.

[jocko]

no doubt u carry what ur confident with, be it a 45 or 9mm, both will do the job as we well know.I just have never been a 45 fan, just grew up with a 9mm and wnat to stay there. 45 makes a big hole. 50 makes a bigger, whats the point. I cannot put a 1911 of any make in my front pocket with the ease and light weight and size of my PM9, so a Kimber 45 sitting at home does me now good when I am on the road. If Iwas to carry a 45, it would not be a single stack for its gonna be a wasite band carry anyways and more than a bigger hole I want more than 7 rounds + or - .

ain't worth aruing over IMO and I intended for my comments not to invoke it either. I sold guns for aliving for 40 years and I know many of my customers had a price point that they would not go over and, we sold a hell of alot of Jennigns 380 and Charter arms revolvers back then while the pricey 1911's and 9's set on the shelf to....

[Bawanna]

I think several important points have been touched in this thread. A big one is that most of us are civilian with different criteria and different needs. The high capacity role at least to me is not nearly as important as an LEO. They need an ammo truck following them around.

A 45 from a Kahr and a 45 from a $4000 dollar 1911 (I'll never have one but I want one) will indeed leave the same hole. Launching the hole punch is two different animals. Neither is BAD, both are very good, but both are very different. apheod almost without question would win over most of us regardless of what gun we give him because he no doubt shoots alot, shoots out of the traditional booth shooting at more than just square piece of paper.

Give Rob Leatham a 45 Colt Schofield and he'd probably mop the floor with any of us regardless of what we shoot.

In my battle plan I'd prefer not to quick draw, I plan to anticipate a problem and cheat and already have the gun in my hand. Probably won't happen that way, we all know life comes at ya fast and you gotta be ready for it.

My system works for me, 2 guns, couple spare mags, have the cool look factor on both, good carry system options in place. I'm ready, bring it.

And did I say if that reissue series 70 needs a home I'm available?