Chambering the first round, a slingshot modification

[Dirt doc]

Yep that looks like the problem.

Thanks for the link.

[deanp1964]

I know it has been said before, by myself as well, but dang Kahr folks, I'd gladly pay an extra $50/$100 if you could just get this stuff correct FROM the factory to begin with.

(now before all the Kahr folks-huggers start bashing me again, please know that I own a PM9 and a PM45 that I carry regularly and love the uniqueness in design that they have to allow comfortable carry)

These threads prove that the fixes exist. Kahr out to put them in place in the original fabrication.

[LDM]

Have Wolff +5% springs for 6 round and 7 round mags on order. Not in yet.
Will advise.

[Dirt doc]

Dean:

I was thinking the same thing. I now also have a PM9 and a PM45. The PM9 has been perfect since the first round. I'm disappointed that I have to mess with a problem that seems to have been known for a while. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to try to fix this or let Kahr do it. I'll see how the break in goes and see if there are any other issues for Kahr to address.

[Tilos]

dean:
$50-$100 would only buy about 10 seconds of labor in Mass..

[Deano]

Greg,

This is Yogi's little brother from the LCP forum. I wanted to thank you for posting this. I've had the horrible nosedive problem with both my 7 round mags. Today I performed this mod to my followers and went to the range. Fired 12 mags of FMJ and HP ammo (6 apiece) and not a single jam. Before they would jam EVERY time.

I hope the good folks at kahr will sit up and take notice, change this one simple design flaw, and give us mags that work straight from the factory. (I also think the spring is too weak on the 7 rounders)

Again, thanks for the time you took to post this. I am thrilled to finally have three mags that are trustworthy.

[jocko]

this issue seems more prevelant in the kahr 45's than any other caliber...

[BEARDOG]

Greg,

This is Yogi's little brother from the LCP forum. I wanted to thank you for posting this. I've had the horrible nosedive problem with both my 7 round mags. Today I performed this mod to my followers and went to the range. Fired 12 mags of FMJ and HP ammo (6 apiece) and not a single jam. Before they would jam EVERY time.

I hope the good folks at kahr will sit up and take notice, change this one simple design flaw, and give us mags that work straight from the factory. (I also think the spring is too weak on the 7 rounders)

Again, thanks for the time you took to post this. I am thrilled to finally have three mags that are trustworthy.

Hi Deano,
That is great news!

Just so we don't confuse Greg... It is me that has been talking with your brother Yogi about your CM9 issues. Greg is the one to thank for this mod info, my contribution is small but is here. http://kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=73196&postcount=42

I am glad that it help this 2nd rd jamming problem for you as it was just a theory really when I said to try it for that, Good to know that it can also help with jamming issues as well.

I am glad I could help and if you have any other questions just ask on the forum, or PM me. And as a new forum member and Kahr owner an FYI, Greg is one to listen to, He knows his stuff

[Deano]

Hi Deano,
That is great news!

Just so we don't confuse Greg... It is me that has been talking with your brother Yogi about your CM9 issues. Greg is the one to thank for this mod info, my contribution is small but is here. http://kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=73196&postcount=42

I am glad that it help this 2nd rd jamming problem for you as it was just a theory really when I said to try it for that, Good to know that it can also help with jamming issues as well.

I am glad I could help and if you have any other questions just ask on the forum, or PM me. And as a new forum member and Kahr owner an FYI, Greg is one to listen to, He knows his stuff

Ahhhhh. OK, pardon the confusion.
Greg, thanks for the mod
Scott, thanks for steering me in the right direction

[Bald Baron]

Just did the mod on my two seven round CW9 mags. Now I can slowly hand rack the first round and all the other rounds in the magazine. This will make range time even more pleasant and more importantly, it will make clearing a malfunction faster. Thanks Greg and everyone else who helped post this mod.

[SC Tiger]

When I first got mine it was difficult to chamber the first round, but if you truly "slingshot" it then it would do it. Now (after about 500 rounds) it is a lot better. Speer JHP will hesitate for a second and then chamber even if you ride the slide.

[DKD]

Damn,

I just started a thread about the same exact problem I was having with my new P380. It won't even slide stop load or hand rack with the first two rounds with Gold Dots or Silver Tips. I might have to try the mag follower modification. The standard mags will only function properly with FMJ and a more pronounced tapered Hollow Point design bullet. I also noticed the diference in the angle of the top round of a fully loaded mag vs the third through last round.
I think that this might just work.

[midmo]

if i do this on a cw 40 will it work (in theory)?

[frbejarano]

Damn,

I just started a thread about the same exact problem I was having with my new P380. It won't even slide stop load or hand rack with the first two rounds with Gold Dots or Silver Tips. I might have to try the mag follower modification. The standard mags will only function properly with FMJ and a more pronounced tapered Hollow Point design bullet. I also noticed the diference in the angle of the top round of a fully loaded mag vs the third through last round.
I think that this might just work.

DKD will you let us know how it goes if you do this mod to your p380? Thanks

[steveschu]

I have no problem feeding a live round with my K9 by racking the slide even when brand new. Just make sure to pull the slide all the way back until it can go back no further. You can hear the noise of the barrel hit the cam surface. One of the easiest ways to rack it is to grasp the slide with the thumb and forefinger of the nonshooting hand. Push the shooting hand forward as far as possible and release the slide to chamber a cartridge. Because of the heavy recoil spring, it is easier to work the slide by pushing forward on the frame than by pulling back on the slide.
BTW, my K9 no longer has issue with premature slide lock and the recoil is softer with new slide stop, and recoil spring that Kahr sent me.

The rearward slide distance of my P380 is exactly the distance of the slide stop. Of course any Kahr pistol can be armed using the slingshot method without modification IF the slide is pulled rearward EXACTLY as far back as it will go and released. Difficult to do consistently with stiff springs.