Manual Safeties Yes or No?

[O'Dell]

I know it's strange.
And I'm not sure of the correct terminology.
Didn't realize it until recently actually.
But all striker fired guns are not the same.
The Kimber Solo is actually considered a SA striker gun
and has an external safety.
Where the Glock safe action triggers
are not considered SA but DA.

I think the Kimber may be fully cocked, so to speak,
and the Glock is semi-cocked. Where you pull the plunger
the rest of the way back with the trigger.

I think pocket carry of a Kimber Solo may well be ill advised.

I think the terminology currently used is SA, the hammer is completely cocked and the trigger just releases it, DA, the striker is partially cocked and the trigger completes the job and releases it, and DAO where the trigger completely cocks the hammer and releases it. Your P220 and most SIGS, HK's, 3rd gen S&W's, etc, are actually a DAO first pull and SA thereafter. DA revolvers and the P250 are DAO. Most striker fired guns, including Kahrs, are DA because the striker is partially cocked before pulling the trigger. Of course 1911's are an example of SA.

I've never understood why the so-called safe action triggers exist. It seem to me that if anything catches on the trigger it's going to pull it whether it has the little doohickey in the middle like a Glock or XD or has the jointed trigger found on S&W's.

I haven't examined a Solo so I don't know where it falls in the general scheme of things.

[jocko]

kimber even calls the solo "single action".

[O'Dell]

kimber even calls the solo "single action".

But it does have a safety, doesn't it? If so, it's like carrying a 1911 or an HK 'cocked and locked'.

[JFootin]

But it does have a safety, doesn't it? If so, it's like carrying a 1911 or an HK 'cocked and locked'.

I think Kimber's intention was to make a tiny 9 with features like the 1911s they are famous for.

[jocko]

yes

But it does have a safety, doesn't it? If so, it's like carrying a 1911 or an HK 'cocked and locked'.

it does..

[scoose]

Manual safety NO

[HenryinFlorida]

Sorry, I still don't agree. If that were true no one would ever have a ND. People are still the weakest link in the shooter - gun equation, and until we can correct that, the gun should be as safe as possible.

It's still a personal choice. You can carry anyway you like and I'll do the same.

Well then, maybe those weakest links should learn how to handle their guns. If you don't know what your doing, you can have accidents even with a manual safety.

[O'Dell]

Well then, maybe those weakest links should learn how to handle their guns. If you don't know what your doing, you can have accidents even with a manual safety.

Right, and we'll just tell people they should stop taking drugs and driving while intoxicated - I'm sure that will stop the practices.

I've said all along that it's a personal choice. I was trained over 45 years ago to use a safety, and that training has stayed with me. I wish my four Kahrs had one but they don't - Same with my P220. I'll continue to carry the Kahrs because their size, weight, and reliability make them the best carry pistols for me. The SIG will stay because it's a great shooter, and I never carry it anyway.

[AIRret]

To me it is important to be consistent in my firearm training, and since my first handgun was a sig 226 (26 years old and never a malfunction) I decided that non of my carry guns would have a safety. I don't need to have a mental hesitation before I pull the trigger.
My carry guns are Kahr pm9, Ruger LCR 357, Sig 239, and Sig 226. The sig are DA/SA so I REALLY train decocking before holstering. I also place my thumb on the back of the auto pistols slide while holstering. I certainly don't want to mistakenly cock the gun.

[jocko]

why do most every long gun have safetys on them. LEO guns are no different. Just askin.

I think this no safety thing is certainly ones choice but IMO it is more of a macho thing to, as years back most all semi's had some kind of external safety, Again why do practicaly all 22 semi's have safetys on them? Just asking. Has someone

said that 22's are not good or ever used for defense or home safety? again just askin.

Its a choice and I am very glad to see that now kahr has given everyone an option. Certainly the poll shows I and digger O'Dell are in the minority on this to..

[Barth]

why do most every long gun have safetys on them. LEO guns are no different. Just askin.

I think this no safety thing is certainly ones choice but IMO it is more of a macho thing to, as years back most all semi's had some kind of external safety, Again why do practicaly all 22 semi's have safetys on them? Just asking. Has someone

said that 22's are not good or ever used for defense or home safety? again just askin.

Its a choice and I am very glad to see that now kahr has given everyone an option. Certainly the poll shows I and digger O'Dell are in the minority on this to..

Lots of LEO guns are GLock and Sigs, likely most,
and neither have external safeties.

Most long guns don't have multiple internal safeties like handguns.
In fact I think the external safety on most long guns is the only safety.

[Popeye]

I don't think I'd ever not buy a DAO pistol with manual safety if I liked the gun and shot it well. The one nice thing about manual safeties is you can choose to use them or not. What I'm saying it would never be a deal breaker for me for or against. I had manual safety/decocker on my SA/DA Bersa Thunder .380 never found it to be and issue. Just never used it as a safety, I did as a decocker though. DAO though I don't really see a need for it, but I can see where some may take comfort in have one. As we used to say many years ago Different strokes for different folks.

[Tinman507]

99% of my handgun shooting is with a Kahr CM9 or a K9. Neither has a safety.
For fun plinking I have a Ruger SR22 that's got a safety and a decocker.
That thing messes me up everytime I shoot it. I look like an idiot for the first mag until I work out which direction to move it.
In a SHTF situation I don't think I'd like any self defense piece with an external safety.
Just my opinion. YMMV.

[O'Dell]

To me it is important to be consistent in my firearm training, and since my first handgun was a sig 226 (26 years old and never a malfunction) I decided that non of my carry guns would have a safety. I don't need to have a mental hesitation before I pull the trigger.

The P226 is a great gun. I've been a SIG fan since I bought my first in 1980. I've had several but never a P226. If yours is one of the older folded steel models, it's almost exactly the same size as my P220 and both weigh about 26 ozs. Currently, I only have two, the P220 and a 1911 C3. Recently, I've been tempted by some good prices on ex-police 2340's but I really don't need another 40 cal. However, in the last few years, I've sorta moved over to the HK's as they tend to be a bit lighter because of the polymer frame, and because [the subject of this thread] they have a manual safety. I have no problem carrying an HK cocked and locked in a good holster.

[Barth]

The P226 is a great gun. I've been a SIG fan since I bought my first in 1980. I've had several but never a P226. If yours is one of the older folded steel models, it's almost exactly the same size as my P220 and both weigh about 26 ozs. Currently, I only have two, the P220 and a 1911 C3. Recently, I've been tempted by some good prices on ex-police 2340's but I really don't need another 40 cal. However, in the last few years, I've sorta moved over to the HK's as they tend to be a bit lighter because of the polymer frame, and because [the subject of this thread] they have a manual safety. I have no problem carrying an HK cocked and locked in a good holster.

I think I said it before, but I'll say it again.
I was able to order my HK USP 45 compact without an external safety.
Just a hammer drop a la Sig Sauer.

I'm just saying...