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  • #61
    As a Glock, LCP, GP-100 & SP-101 owner, my preference is NO manual safety. As said many times, proper training (physical & mental) is key to maintaining a safe atmosphere in public & at home.
    Virtues are learned at Mother's Knee

    Vices are learned at some other Joint

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Yogi 117 View Post
      As a Glock, LCP, GP-100 & SP-101 owner, my preference is NO manual safety. As said many times, proper training (physical & mental) is key to maintaining a safe atmosphere in public & at home.
      The only real safety is your finger.

      With the exception of SA guns

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Barth View Post
        I think I said it before, but I'll say it again.
        I was able to order my HK USP 45 compact without an external safety.
        Just a hammer drop a la Sig Sauer.

        I'm just saying...
        The key phrase is the you were able to order it w/o a safety. I was able to order my M&P's with a safety and you can with a Kahr too, but they normally come without, as the HK normally comes with. I can walk into a GS and buy an HK with a safety - I don't have to special order it. There no way to get one on a classic SIG though.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Barth View Post
          Lots of LEO guns are GLock and Sigs, likely most,
          and neither have external safeties.
          Yes but a lot of LEOs carry an HK with a safety. Also, in the first move from the revolvers, the most common Semi was the S&W, with a safety.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Barth View Post
            The only real safety is your finger.

            With the exception of SA guns
            Exactly. The finger being the physical & the mental being between your ears!
            Virtues are learned at Mother's Knee

            Vices are learned at some other Joint

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            • #66
              wow

              Originally posted by O'Dell View Post
              Yes but a lot of LEOs carry an HK with a safety. Also, in the first move from the revolvers, the most common Semi was the S&W, with a safety.
              u never hear of many LEO dept carrying HKs. Percentage wise it has to be very very low. Not sure HK can compete in the price range bidding like Glocks can.
              . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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              • #67
                Originally posted by O'Dell View Post
                Yes but a lot of LEOs carry an HK with a safety. Also, in the first move from the revolvers, the most common Semi was the S&W, with a safety.
                The amount of law enforcement who carry H&K is 2.95%.
                A lot?? I don't think so. That less than the 4.34% on the poll above, who don't think safeties are unneeded on DAO pistols.
                Notables:
                Kimber Custom II 1911 .45 ACP ("How sweet it is")
                Kahr CM9 9mm - Trijicon night sights, Wolff 5# striker spring
                Glock 19 Gen 3 9mm - Meprolight night sights, BTGuiderod stainless steel captured guide rod, Ghost Ranger trigger connector, Vickers mag release
                Taurus 85 Stainless Steel .38 Special
                1977 Smith & Wesson 19-4 2.5" .357 Magnum - Wolff springs, Professional trigger job
                1955 Hi-Standard Sentinel R-100 .22lr
                1958 Marlin Golden 39-A Mountie .22lr
                Norinco SKS 7.62x39

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                • #68
                  I think

                  Originally posted by O'Dell View Post
                  Yes but a lot of LEOs carry an HK with a safety. Also, in the first move from the revolvers, the most common Semi was the S&W, with a safety.
                  it was the Illinois state boys who went first to the semi's Smith model 39
                  . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                  • #69
                    If no external safety works for the US Secret Service? It works for me.

                    Source Wikipedia:
                    Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products,
                    commanding 65% of the market share of handguns for United States law enforcement agencies[4]
                    as well as supplying numerous national armed forces, security agencies, and law enforcement agencies in 48 countries.

                    According to SIG Sauer, one-third of U.S. police use SIG firearms.[3]

                    As of 2011, Special Agents and Uniformed Division Officers
                    of The United States Secret Service
                    carry the SIG Sauer
                    P229 pistol chambered for the .357 SIG cartridge.
                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~
                    I'm beginning to see a pattern of no manual safeties by US LE for their officers.

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                    • #70
                      Our Indiana DNR (conservation officers) carry sig 45's. Monstrous gun indeed.
                      . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by jocko View Post
                        Our Indiana DNR (conservation officers) carry sig 45's. Monstrous gun indeed.
                        I have a Sig P220/45. It's a full size service auto for sure.
                        But If you want to see big?
                        Pick up an HK Mark 23 45 and find out what a BIG 45 feels like.

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                        • #72
                          I love the looks of this CZ. I'd have to have much bigger hands to grip it and reach the trigger, and Popeye forearms to hold it up. But...

                          Very interesting...

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                          • #73
                            You can have an external safety on your Glock

                            http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=5...FOR-GLOCK-reg-
                            MANUAL SAFETY KIT FOR GLOCK®
                            Helps Prevent Unintentional Discharges

                            Manually engaged safety lever provides an extra level of security and safety for Glock owners.
                            Blocks trigger movement, allows the slide to be cycled and pistol loaded or unloaded with the safety on.
                            Operates easily with your right-hand thumb. Contact pad is easy to engage, yet won’t interfere with holster fit.
                            All Glock passive safeties continue to function normally.
                            Gunsmith installation is recommended.


                            I don't want one, but for those that do?

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                            • #74
                              check out SIDERLOCK.com. i HAVE ONE ON MY SONS g19, NO MODS NEEDED, ALL STEEL CONSTRUCTED, WORKS JUST LIKE THE GLOCK sas but the safety to me is right where it belongs. One doe snot nee dto use it either. It is top quality.

                              My son is ot as gun savvy as his dad is, so I opted to do this for him and I really like it as basically nothing inside the glock has changed and at least I am now into an all steel trigger..
                              . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Barth View Post
                                Helps Prevent Unintentional Discharges
                                I usually think about baseball or doing my taxes. Works every time.
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                                Sold all my guns. I dislike firearms.
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                                That notch in the rail is supposed to be there

                                "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
                                --Thomas Jefferson (1764).

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