Guns and Ammo reports Colt wins contract

[chipD]

Just ran across this and thought I would post it here.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/07/2...-marine-corps/

[Longitude Zero]

The more things change the maore they stay the same. The rediscovery of the 1911. Just like the B-52 you cannot kill a great weapon system.

[ripley16]

This isn't a "rediscovery", but rather replacements for Marine Special Force units that already use the 1911. I guess I'm a bit surprised that the 1911 was retained, as the Navy Special Forces have gone away from the 1911, and adopted a better weapon in the form of the HK MK24, (HK45ct). Colt recently lost a much larger contract for the weapon system to replace the SAW, to Heckler & Koch. You win some and lose some.

[gb6491]

This isn't a "rediscovery", but rather replacements for Marine Special Force units that already use the 1911. I guess I'm a bit surprised that the 1911 was retained, as the Navy Special Forces have gone away from the 1911, and adopted a better weapon in the form of the HK MK24, (HK45ct). Colt recently lost a much larger contract for the weapon system to replace the SAW, to Heckler & Koch. You win some and lose some.

Seems to me, that in this case, "Better" is just a matter of opinion.:80:

[Longitude Zero]

Navy Special Forces have gone away from the 1911, and adopted a better weapon in the form of the HK MK24, (HK45ct).

Only partially true. Certain "special units" adopted the SIG P226 instead of the HK and are on ther fourth of fifth batch of weapons. These units shoot their weapons until they are worn out then replace them. They go through initial training at a location in Coronado, CA.

[AJBert]

I grew up on old school math, so I'm not really up on how to do math these days, but a $22.5 million contract that will deliver 4000 firearms comes out to $5625 per firearm.

Seems just a tad bit steep to me for ANY sidearm.

[yqtszhj]

They did mention that spare parts would be supplied but like you said, that is really high. But you have to consider it's the government and they pay 3 times as much as anyone else.

[mr surveyor]

If I were in a position to pick my battle side arm, I think I'd also prefer the Colt. The Sigs are fine, and I'm sure the HKs are every bit as fine, but I just have no affection for the Beretta service pistols. Still, make mine a 1911..... all steel.

[ripley16]

Seems to me, that in this case, "Better" is just a matter of opinion.:80:

By better I meant cheaper, more reliable, as accurate, lighter, suppressor ready and has a higher capacity. IMHO, yes, that is better.

Only partially true. Certain "special units" adopted the SIG P226 instead of the HK

"instead" is the wrong word. Actually they utilize both the MK24 and MK25, but since we were talking about .45acp pistols, the MK24 seemed the apt comparison.

[O'Dell]

I guess I'm a bit surprised that the 1911 was retained, as the Navy Special Forces have gone away from the 1911, and adopted a better weapon in the form of the HK MK24, (HK45ct).

I have an HK45c and although it's a fine weapon and probably the one I'd take to a gunfight, I only have one, and I have five 1911's.

[gb6491]

By better I meant cheaper, more reliable, as accurate, lighter, suppressor ready and has a higher capacity. IMHO, yes, that is better.

Since we're still giving opinions on what's "better":
HK
Cheaper, maybe
More reliable, opinion
As accurate, opinion
Suppressor ready, yes (if you need that)
Lighter, yes
Higher capacity, yes (2 more)
1911
Better trigger, opinion
Better ergonomics/handling (quicker on target and back on target), opinion
Better ballistics, maybe
IMHO, the 1911 is the better choice for getting rounds on target when the chips are down and that's what counts (again, in my opinion)
Regards,
Greg

[JFootin]

I grew up on old school math, so I'm not really up on how to do math these days, but a $22.5 million contract that will deliver 4000 firearms comes out to $5625 per firearm.

Seems just a tad bit steep to me for ANY sidearm.

I think I read it would be 12,000 firearms in another report.

Edit: Of course, we have all heard of the $1000 hammers!

[les strat]

Good for an American company

[Bawanna]

Since we're still giving opinions on what's "better":
HK
Cheaper, maybe
More reliable, opinion
As accurate, opinion
Suppressor ready, yes (if you need that)
Lighter, yes
Higher capacity, yes (2 more)
1911
Better trigger, opinion
Better ergonomics/handling (quicker on target and back on target), opinion
Better ballistics, maybe
IMHO, the 1911 is the better choice for getting rounds on target when the chips are down and that's what counts (again, in my opinion)
Regards,
Greg

^^^ What he said precisely.

[Barth]

Since we're still giving opinions on what's "better":
HK
Cheaper, maybe
More reliable, opinion
As accurate, opinion
Suppressor ready, yes (if you need that)
Lighter, yes
Higher capacity, yes (2 more)
1911
Better trigger, opinion
Better ergonomics/handling (quicker on target and back on target), opinion
Better ballistics, maybe
IMHO, the 1911 is the better choice for getting rounds on target when the chips are down and that's what counts (again, in my opinion)
Regards,
Greg

I keep almost getting a HK45.
I've got no 1911s
And posts like this keep bringing me back to a 1911.
What will I do....

Also one of those Sig 226 All Stainless Nitron 9mm with 20 round mag
can't be all bad right?