Single Stack 9s

[Barth]

Here are my new additions - Ruger LC9s Pro & Walther PPS M2

[Alfonse]

I've fondled that PPS M2. That one has been calling to me. I like the PPQ M2 a bunch and liked the original PPS.

The M2 feels great in the hand and the trigger is sweet. Looking forward to hearing your range report.

[Barth]

Broke out the digital scale just for fun - LOL!

Sig P229 357 (12+1 125 gr Speer GDHP) 39.8 oz
Walther PPS M2 (7+1 147 gr Federal HST) 25.7 oz
Ruger LC9s Pro (7+1 147 gr Federal HST) 21.2 oz
Ruger LCP Gen 2 (6+1 90 gr Hornady XTP) 12.3 oz

On paper the PPS and LC9s are nearly identical.
But for me, the LC9s works for pocket carry and BUG (lighter/smaller Sub-Compact).
And the PPS fills more of a primary role (flat/light with full grip Compact).

I'm liking owning (and likely carrying) both

[RonW]

I'm not a huge fan of the Walther PPS/PPQ's etc. I guess it's a combination of looks & feel in the hand... The Ruger LC9s is nice, along with the M&P shield's, Glock 19 is not too shabby either. The G43 feels weird in my hand, hard to explain, just doesnt feel right. Then of course my Kahr K9 feels really nice in the hand

[jashsayani]

Kahr CW9 is a good single stack 9 for carry

[RonW]

Kahr CW9 is a good single stack 9 for carry

I've been toteing around my CM9 for better part of today

[Barth]

I know Kahr is famous for single stack 9mms.
But their .380 seemed to have some issues with some folks.
So when I saw Stainless Ruger LCP gen 2s on sale for $249?
I jumped on the deal.
Was so impressed with it, when I saw the LC9s Pro on sale for $339?
I just had to try it out too.

I know it's blasphemous on a Kahr forum.
But it seems like this place is forgiving to owning other brands as well.
The ergonomics and triggers of the two Rugers just click with me.

As for the Walther PPS M2?
I've been eyeing them for a long time.
Everybody knows I've got a thing for German guns.
Actually shot a friends Classic PPS and liked it a lot.
I really need to stop browsing GrabaGun.
Saw the M2 on sale for $419 and folded like a cheap rusty lawnchair - LOL!
Next day they were sold out!
Now, still sold out and the price is rising.

My LGS said their customers are asking for the M2s and they can't get them.
Same with the gen 2 LCPs (for three months).

It's a crazy run on handguns for me.
But hell, you only live once right?
I'm going to enjoy the ride!

[yqtszhj]

Funny how different grips fit folks hands. Combination of palm size and finger length is it I guess. The lcp with the hogue grip, the Sigs, kahrs, and Walthers all feel good to me. Gen 4 glocks are OK too (not so much the earlier ones.) But then I picked up the lc9s the other day and man that grip is thin. I'd have to do some serious grip mod to that one to fit me well. So that one is off my list for a minute or so. Now the ruger sr-22 fits good. Dont tell the wife but that one may be next.

[Barth]

Funny how different grips fit folks hands. Combination of palm size and finger length is it I guess. The lcp with the hogue grip, the Sigs, kahrs, and Walthers all feel good to me. Gen 4 glocks are OK too (not so much the earlier ones.) But then I picked up the lc9s the other day and man that grip is thin. I'd have to do some serious grip mod to that one to fit me well. So that one is off my list for a minute or so. Now the ruger sr-22 fits good. Dont tell the wife but that one may be next.

It feels crazy thin to hold.
But being just 17 oz it balances really well and shoots surprisingly well with the flush mags!
Plus it's so flat and light it carries dreamy on the back hip.
And the trigger is outstanding with live fire.

I've often found just holding a gun doesn't necessarily translate into how it feels during live fire.
This Ruger is better to shoot and carry than to just pick up and hold.
If that makes sense.

[Alfonse]

Congrats on the new pistols! I'm officially jealous of the Walther. I like German guns, and Czech guns, too.

[Barth]

As for the PPS Range Report?
It runs with any ammo (big surprise).
Is extremely accurate (another big surprise).
Has a nice trigger.

I need more head to head range time with the PPS and LC9s to draw direct comparisons.
First blush, the Ruger seems to have a slightly better trigger, is lighter and easier to carry (for me).
Also better balanced.
PPS seems more accurate/robust/refined.
Although it feels top heavy and the extra 4 oz weight is noticeable on the back hip.
Plus the PPS is 6 to the LC9s 7 rounds with flush mags?

The PPS still has 3 extended eight round mags and Mep NS inbound.

I'm thinking LC9s 7+1 sub-compact in the pocket or on the back hip (Primary or BUG).
And PPS 8+1 flat compact cross-draw or shoulder holster (Primary).

Full Disclosure:
I totally love my Sig P229 357 and carry the LC9s with it as a BUG.

[ripley16]

Nice additions. Interesting differences in the grip texture of the PPS models. I've never handled the M2 but it looks more akin to the "batman" texture that Walther and HK put on their other pistols. I like the PPS because it is so slim and shoots pretty well. I think I'll take your grip but with my mag release.

I shoot the PPS with my various Kahrs usually. I've come to appreciate the PPS. It is just as accurate, with a nice trigger. I can shoot it quicker, better double taps than the Kahrs. It is a nice pistol all around IMHO. It would not replace my HK though. The PPS is good, but not that good.

[CPTKILLER]

It is a very competitive market now. Kahr needs to up their game totally.

[Barth]

Congrats on the new pistols! I'm officially jealous of the Walther. I like German guns, and Czech guns, too.

It's all German all the way.
Just oozes quality.
It's like a single stack polymer Hk.
The only thing I didn't like was the plastic guide rod.
Fortunately BT Guide Rods makes a stainless steel RSA using factory Walther springs.
http://btguiderods.com/category/walther/pps/



Now I'll add Meprolight Tru-Dot Night Sights the gun will be perfect!

[gb6491]

It is a very competitive market now. Kahr needs to up their game totally.

Yep, because, slow or fast, my CW9 shoots a little left for me at 10yds.



...but I've other single stack nines I can fall back on:






Seriously, I've tried other small, single stack nines but passed on some because I didn't like the way they felt in hand, others because I didn't like the way they shot. Some others I bought but got rid of for various reasons (Nano-not reliable enough, DB9-trigger snapped off, twice). I traded in my first Shield, because, after putting a lot of rounds through it, I grew to hate the trigger and the guard banged my knuckle too much. I later revisited the Shield with an Apex sear and a Dremel tool; I believe it's a keeper now. Still, I've kept coming back to my CW9. Is it perfect? No, but I prefer it over others that some think are (BTW, that last isn't aimed at any here). Different strokes, for different folks.
Regards,
Greg