FBI charges LA Deputies for abuses.

[TheTman]

The U.S. Justice Department on Monday charged 18 current or former Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies with federal civil rights violations in connection with an FBI investigation into alleged excessive force in the nation largest jail system.
The charges include unjustified beatings of inmates and visitors at downtown jails, unjustified detentions and conspiring to obstruct the investigation at the Men's Central Jail.

USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...abuse/3922305/
Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...48692834100288

The other day I read an article in some online rag, that statistically you had a much greater chance of being killed by a cop, than of being hurt by terrorist activity.
I think there is too much of a "military" attitude among many LEO's with us being the enemy.
Whatever happened to Officer Friendly and Serve and Protect. The cops today, seem much more aggressive, abusive, rude, and confrontational than they did 20 years ago. I think that is mostly among the younger LEO's, than the older ones that have been around and been damn good cops. And of course different departments have more problems than others. The State Troopers/Highway Patrol usually seem to be the most professional of the bunch. And small towns vary widely from being full of jerks to having some of the nicest guys around. People in general seem much ruder than they were 20-30 years ago, so I suppose dealing with jerkwads all day might cause you to adopt a bad attitude towards civilians in general.
And I think you will find more corruption in large cities departments, simply due to the number of people they hire, you're going to have bad apples in any large group of people, no matter what their business is. Churches, hospitals, large businesses, etc. NYPD seems to have a long history of corruption among it's officers, (and politicians) Simply due to the number of officers NYC employs they are going to end up with some bad apples.

It seems that not a day goes by that I don't see some questionable LEO action. There were a couple stories on NYPD cops in the news today, in one case they were harassing a civilian who was taking out his trash or something. They wanted to see his ID, and he refused since he wasn't doing anything illegal, and they grabbed him, but he broke free and ran inside his home, and the cops broke in and beat the hell out of the whole family. (didn't get the link to this one, you can probably Google it if interested) While in another case a veteran NYPD officer was arrested for shaking down an Albanian café owner to the tune of some $24,000 over several months. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1536045

Yesterday it was a Campus Cop that shot and killed an unarmed student (who looked to be about half the cop's size) during a traffic stop in San Antonio http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/1...sial-incident/
Now the student was yelling at the cop, and according to a witness his last words were a sarcastic sounding: "Oh, so you are going to shoot me?" followed by gunshots.
I guess some of this can be filed under "Power Corrupts..."

[Longitude Zero]

LEO's are human and make bad choices. When dealing with detention officers and the scum they have incarcerated I give them a lot of leeway to handle inmate discipline. In the not so distant past a large bar of soap in a tube sock was de-rigueur for discipline in jails and prison.


However it is a piddling compared to the Catholic Pedophile Scandal. And if you think it only happens in the Catholic church it happens in EVERY denomination.

[TheTman]

I don't really give a damn about the prisoners. Most of them are lowlifes anyway that deserve what they get. Abusing visitors is another story though, and probably what caused the FBI to get involved.
As far as Churches and pedophiles, the Catholics shuffle child molesters around to different parishes, to try and avoid charges being filed. It's pretty sick, and these pedophiles need to be brought to justice. Too many though are bribed with large amounts of money to stay quiet about their experiences. Consider where your money is going next time you tithe to a Catholic Church. I am in no way saying Catholics are bad people, as most of them I know are very decent people, but the leadership is a corrupt and accomplices to child molestation.

[muggsy]

I don't know where all of these rouge cops are coming from. I never met one. Every one of them treated me with the same respect that I treated them with. Maybe that's the reason that I never met a rogue cop. Ya think?

[Longitude Zero]

I don't know where all of these rouge cops are coming from. I never met one. Every one of them treated me with the same respect that I treated them with. Maybe that's the reason that I never met a rogue cop. Ya think?

Probably.

[TheTman]

Muggs, the cops in LA were more or less correctional officers it sounds like, they were all involved with the city or county Jail.
If you want to meet some real ******** cops, speed through some small towns in Mississipi, Arkansas, Lousiana, Alabama, or Georgia. A couple places I'd avoid are Don't Look Back, and Snatchanigger, Mississippi. The latter probably changed it's name by now, but my friend that grew up in MS, said those were 2 towns to avoid no matter what color you were. He used to run 'shine back in the 70's and got to know some offbeat little towns like that, and that if you didn't have business in them, then don't stop for gas or anything else. I don't see either listed on a map now. They were probably just small little villages where everyone is related to everyone else in town.
I bet maybe you have met a rogue cop, how would you know if you met one that was on the take, or doing some side work for some mobster?
I agree though with treating them with respect. I always do, and never have had a problem. The next small town over from me used to have a real bad reputation for the cops being real jerks, and that traffic fines were the main source of income for the town, until a couple of housing developments got built. I sold a pup to the chief of police one time, and he gave me a get out of jail free card, his card with his personal cell phone number written on the back, and said if I ever got a ticket or anything else minor, that he would take care of it. Too bad he retired a couple years later.
It seems that most of the people that get screwed over are a lot younger than we are, and probably way more prone to giving the cops grief. Like that unarmed kid that the Campus cop shot, it sounds like he was giving the cop a ration of ****, but I think shooting him was a bit much. Maybe taser his ass until he calmed down, but killing him because he was upset (and probably drunk or drugging, the article said he was driving erratically) and yelling at the cop. Not cool. Plus the cop looked to be about twice his size (around the waist anyway), and could probably easily of knocked some sense into him. I'd still like to see some kind of independent review board investigate some of these shootings. Cops investigating other cops in the same department rarely comes to anything, other than a paid vacation for the officer being investigated. And officers will lie on the witness stand to cover their butts and those of their comrades, or to make their case against an offender.

[muggsy]

You do realize that the Justice Department is run by the Attorney General, that great bastion of conservatism, Eric Holder. Anything that he is in charge of is cause for suspicion. Ya know, no prisoner could be abused if they did break the law and ended up in prison in the first place. If these abused prisoners are look for sympathy they will find it in Muggsy's dictionary in between the words excrement and syphilis. I think that they are looking for a pay day and expect it to come from your tax money. Don't do the crime if you can't do the crime. That's my motto.

[Longitude Zero]

You do realize that the Justice Department is run by the Attorney General, that great bastion of conservatism, Eric Holder. Anything that he is in charge of is cause for suspicion. Ya know, no prisoner could be abused if they did break the law and ended up in prison in the first place. If these abused prisoners are look for sympathy they will find it in Muggsy's dictionary in between the words excrement and syphilis. I think that they are looking for a pay day and expect it to come from your tax money. Don't do the crime if you can't do the crime. That's my motto.

Agreed.

[TheTman]

I think that most of their charges stem from abusing visitors to the jail. I assume that muggs and LZ have never broken the law. For them to have such hatred for anyone incarcerated. For violent criminals, I could care less what happens to them, but if someone is in jail for an unpaid traffic ticket or something, they sure don't deserve to be abused. Not everyone in jail is scum, some are there for very minor reasons. Maybe they couldn't afford to pay a ticket so they served some time. Or forgot to pay a parking ticket and got thrown in jail. You can't just lump everyone together, just because they are in jail, no more than you can say all Republicans are conservative.

[TheTman]

VIDEO: American Citizen Labeled “Trash” Then Lynched By Officers While In Police Custody:
Before anyone starts trash talking the victim, you should know he was arrested for allegedly firing a .22 across the street from his home. It doesn't say if it was a wooded area, open field, or more houses across the street from his home.


From Mr. Conservative:
http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/1...d-by-officers/


While nothing has been proven as of yet, the investigators and coroner have some concerns:
As investigators and coroners analyzed the scene they were quick to determine a few discrepancies. First of all, the video of the man’s cell was miraculously deleted—a huge red flag as why else, beside covering something up, would video evidence be deleted? Next according to the coroner’s report, it stated that it was, “physically impossible,” that the 6’1” inmate could have reached the ceiling where the knot was tied.


The picture of the guy, sure doesn't do him any justice, makes him look like a criminal with all the tattoos and stuff on his neck and face. Hard to say what happened.

[muggsy]

I got to be a guest of the local lock-up on three separate occasions all for minor offenses. I was polite, respectful and cooperated with the arresting officer. I was treated with the same courtesy and respect by the police. I've never seen the police use any more force than was necessary to control a prisoner. Most prisoners received far less than what they deserved. While I was not always the angel that you see before you today, I was no John Dillinger.

[TheTman]

I've been in jail a couple times over driving, once for over 100mph in a 55 zone, and they had to take me in on that one, and another time over confusion over someone with the same name as I had, and it took awhile to get sorted out. I never gave the officers any grief, just sat and waited until they got things sorted out and let me out, or set the bail for the speeding thing. That was on a Friday night, so I spent the weekend in jail. Wasn't too bad, the food was really good. Home cooked by one of the cops wife.


I see that guy tried to escape, or grab a guard's gun or something, but that doesn't give them the right to hang the guy, just because he was being a jerk. A good old fashioned asswhuppin should have sufficed. If the monitor footage of his cell hadn't disappeared, then I'd say their probably was a good chance he figured out a way to hang himself, but that missing footage kind of makes it suspicious, and I guess the coroner, and some other officials agree.


I'd also like to know, why he was arrested for shooting a .22? Was it around houses, or in the city limits, or what? I can't find out what law he broke to get arrested. I'm thinking it was probably discharging a firearm in some city's limits.
I'm not supposed to shoot anything except shotguns, since I got annexed into the podunk little town down the way, but I go out in my barn and open the back door and shoot out of there once in awhile, usually during midweek when most people are at work, and I like windy days since that and shooting from inside the barn helps reduce much of the noise that neighbors might hear. I fire a shotgun before I shoot anything else, and keep it handy, so I can say I was shooting a shotgun if the cops ever did come by, but they never have. Probably since I'm the next to last house in the city on my road. I have a nice little berm built up that works pretty well as a backstop. If I shoot out there, it's usually just to test a few rounds out of a new weapon, or to see if something I've done to the firearm works ok.

[muggsy]

The guy was facing fourteen years in prison. From his prison tats I'd say that he'd been in prison before. He assaulted an officer and tried to take his gun. Sounds like less than a model citizen to me. Tom, I've found that most people create their own bad luck by making poor life decisions. I suspect this man was one of them. Of course both of us are just speculating. Why don't we just wait until all of the facts are in. In that way no one can accuse us of jumping to conclusions.

[jeepster09]

I don't know where all of these rouge cops are coming from. I never met one. Every one of them treated me with the same respect that I treated them with. Maybe that's the reason that I never met a rogue cop. Ya think?

I used to work with one who used to regurly say "let's go find some slime balls that need an adjustment", he hated everyone. I finally refused to work with him. Point being there are a number of "rouge cops" out there.

[TheTman]

The thing is, that we hardly ever hear how these cases turn out. So we are left to speculate with what we have. The missing video of his cell during the time he was hung or hanged himself is pretty damning for the guards, and the officers in charge and the coroner both agree, or their would not have been charges pressed.








The guy certainly didn't look like a model citizen, but people can and do change. I used to like to drink and party, and whore around, in my younger days. It took a brush with death to make me want to change, but I did change.






I turned my life around when I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour. I didn't just do some prayer and go one living the same life, I changed my whole life around, got rid of the unsavory characters that were hanging around, put the bottle away, and now try and life a life that is pleasing to our Lord. I still drink a glass of wine or 1 beer here and there, (not very often) and I have a small glass of wine when I take communion. I do NOT mean to come across as "Holier than thou" or anything like that, just saying how I changed my own life around, and others can and do make changes all the time. I too would like to see how this one turns out, but I doubt if we hear anything. Especially if the guards are found innocent. If they are found guilty, the local news may raise a big stink and maybe we will hear about it then.