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    I wonder how many of us had a change of opinion on Pope Francis after his latest message; where he gave us his ideas on some changes to the Catholic Church, after the 3rd Vatican Council was concluded. Pope Francis declared that: That Catholicism is now "a modern and reasonable religion, which has undergone evolutionary changes. The time has come to abandon all intolerance, we must realize that religious truth evolves and changes. Truth is not absolute or set in stone. Even the atheists acknowledge the God as well, and redeems hhis own soul becoming and active participant in the redemption of humanity. I wonder what God, who is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, thinks about all this talk about religious truths evolving and not being set in stone. I think he may not share that opinion.


    Among the points The Pope made are:

    1. The church no longer believes in a literal Hell, where people suffer, Ok then what about the lake of fire in Revelations?

    2. All religions are true, because people are true in the hearts of all those who believe in them. So I guess no problem if you believe in child sacrifice or any number of cults, "they are all true".

    3. In the past the Church has been harsh on those it deemed morally wrong or sinful. Today we no longer judge. Like a loving father we never condemn or children. Our church is big enough for heterosexuals and homosexuals, for the Pro-life and the Pro-Choice. For conservatives and for liberals. Even communists are welcome. (Would Josef Stalin be welcomed into the church after killing almost 40 million of his own people, as well as the Chinese who killed another 40-50 million). We all worship and love the same god. (hogwash) Allah is the name of the moon goddess, not YWJH.

    4. The Bible is a beautiful and holy book, but some parts have become outdated. So god has changed his mind on some things?

    5. They will begin to ordain women as Cardinals, Bishops and Priests. He hopes to see a woman Pope someday. Let no door be closed to Women that is open to men. ( I agree somewhat, but why didn't they address the issue of letting priests marry, and possibly eliminate some of the pedophilia that is so rampant in the Church)

    6. He condemned Racism, and declared that those who would dare turn their backs on immigrants, are turning their backs on Christ himself. (ok, tell that to the Europeans that are being overrun by muslims, and to our own states that are being overrun by illegal aliens.) And those that reject immigrants, may be excommunicated by the Church.

    The Popes speech has caused some prominent Priests, Cardinals, and Bishops to leave the Church in disgust. While the liberal media is just lapping this crap up and are overjoyed.

    I don't know, but I'm sure not as big of supporter as I once was, which probably doesn't make a difference since I'm not Catholic. I think he chose some things to address, that he has no business in, like the immigration policies of countries, and did not address some things maybe he should have, like letting Priests get married, and doing whatever else they can to combat the pedophiles in the Church.

    Anyone else not very pleased with his address? You can read more of it here:
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...8-2855954.html

    Or Here: http://iranian.com/posts/view/post/25976
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    I can only respond to what's in the OP, as I haven't followed everything the Pope has said.

    Jesus hung out with the worst of the worst, tax collectors and prostitutes, to teach them about salvation. Love one another, His commandant. He loved the sinner and hated the sin, and it seems like Francis is following that.
    I thought he specifically said there would be no woman priests, or married priests.

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    • #3
      It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks..................just keep putting that cash in the plate, and giving 30% of your income to the church. Might hurt the collection plate, saying that there is no literal hell. They always work off of guilt.

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      • #4
        After being raised a strong observant Catholic, I left when they stopped the latin mass and faced the crowd. In all 12 years of Catholic education they emphasized "Catholic means forever the same." I immediately knew they can't change one thing and remain true Catholic.
        •"Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end." - O. L.
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        • #5
          Still happy with Pope Francis?

          I'm not the most observant Catholic & I love the guy! I could care less what any radio hosts might have to say about him. The Catholic Church started to lose me when it lost its humility, which showed in financial excess & the handling of the child molestation scandal. Nobody can doubt the sincerity of this pope & his humility. He has inspired me to rediscover my Catholic teachings.


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          • #6
            Shouldn't this be posted under religious threads? TheTman got this off the internet, so it has to be true.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by berettabone View Post
              It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks..................just keep putting that cash in the plate, and giving 30% of your income to the church. Might hurt the collection plate, saying that there is no literal hell. They always work off of guilt.
              I believe that's 10% of your income and I think that it's called tithing. It's a voluntary not mandatory practice.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by berettabone View Post
                It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks..................just keep putting that cash in the plate, and giving 30% of your income to the church. Might hurt the collection plate, saying that there is no literal hell. They always work off of guilt.
                Oh... That's it exactly. Instead of going forth and doing good things, I give my money out of guilt. I think I have discovered the source of Hell.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OldLincoln View Post
                  After being raised a strong observant Catholic, I left when they stopped the latin mass and faced the crowd. In all 12 years of Catholic education they emphasized "Catholic means forever the same." I immediately knew they can't change one thing and remain true Catholic.
                  WHAT DOES THE WORD CATHOLIC MEAN?
                  The word "Catholic" is derived from a Greek word, Katholikos, originally meaning universal. In the early days of the Church, many Roman citizens referred to this new upstart religion that followed the "Ways" of Jesus Christ as being Catholic--it was universal throughout the empire--meaning that members of this new religion could be found almost anywhere throughout the empire. As time went on, this particular word began to be recognized and used in describing this new religion. Among members, of course, the word had a much more significant and broader meaning than just geographical consideration. It was understood also to describe the very nature of the Church, in that it was universally for everyone. There was no exclusion according to nationality, race, economic or social status. It is for all the people of God.
                  The word "Catholic" was and is also applied to the teaching and the faith of the Church and , in this sense, it means what is believed by the whole Church. It is universally united in its worship, in what it teaches. There are no divisions or branches within its membership.
                  And finally, the word "Catholic"has also come to be used to describe individual Christians who profess belief in the Church's universal teachings and practices.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by codegeek View Post
                    Oh... That's it exactly. Instead of going forth and doing good things, I give my money out of guilt. I think I have discovered the source of Hell.

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                    There's never anything wrong with going forth and doing good things. Are you not able to do these things, without money being involved? When you start attending a church, and within a week after attending, they are asking for money. Now, I realize that they have operating expenses, but a good Christian goes forth and does his deeds without compensation, given or received. I personally know of many cases, where said people attend a church, for a period of time, but let's just say, they're not on the top of the list for giving. It comes time for their daughter to get married, and what better place, than the attended church. But, the church says no, and give some bologna about, because your daughter hasn't attended enough, and her husband to be has never attended, and you just haven't seemed to be very "giving" towards the church. They finally relent, and low and behold, we see that the daughter has been previously married in a Catholic church. Well, we can get by that, but it will cost $600 to forget that the first marriage never happened. I am sorry, but a lot of things that the churches do, just aren't very Christian. I must say, that I think, for the Catholic's out there, it's should be refreshing, that maybe the pope is trying to " loosen" things up a bit.

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                    • #11
                      I like the man...
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                      • #12
                        keep your hands outa my pockets and don't stand in my way; give me at least those two things and I will be o.k.
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                        • #13
                          I don't know the man personally. I never met him. Don't expect to meet him. If I was going to talk about him I think that I would go to a better source of information than some internet blog. As far as I know no adult is ever force to attend any church, but a lot could benefit from the teachings. Just sayin.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by berettabone View Post
                            but a good Christian goes forth and does his deeds without compensation, given or received.
                            In Catholicism, there is the Church, and the church (community). One would not exist without the support of the other. Tithing is not "compensation". It's a duty.

                            So let me get this straight... You are basing your view of 1.2 billion Catholics on the experience of a relative?

                            Don't get me wrong. I am not defending the Catholic Church, nor the bad things that men do. I like this Pope. I would like to see him divest the church of all its gold, silver, and expensive clothing and get back to doing God's work in their own misguided way.

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                            • #15
                              I am not a Catholic but have boat loads of friends and family who are. EVERYONE of them loves the new Pope and loudly expresses the thought that he is just what the church needed at this point in its history.


                              From the limited reading I have done of his writings I really like the guy.
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